How Qigong Builds Confidence in Children & Parents - Indira Plata Alvarado

In this conversation, Indira Plata Alvarado shares her powerful experience at a Qigong children’s retreat in Xi’an, China — the first time it was open to Western families. Over 12 days, children and parents explored Qigong practices that blended fun memory exercises, speed reading, and brain hemispheres activation with unique energy experiments designed to build creativity, confidence, and focus. From recalling dozens of pictures with ease to learning how to coordinate left and right hand drills, the retreat showed how Qigong for kids can unlock natural learning abilities while strengthening emotional stability.

One of the most fascinating aspects of the retreat were the Qigong experiments. Children practiced sensing qi, imprinting information into objects, softening metal spoons, and even identifying their parents while blindfolded with remarkable accuracy. These playful yet profound demonstrations helped families experience the tangible side of qi energy while deepening parent-child connection. More than just tricks, the program emphasized transformation — showing how Qigong retreats can help children and adults alike build resilience, sharpen their minds, and apply practical Qigong in daily life.

Mindful Moments: 

• Qigong for kids boosts memory, focus, and creativity.
• Qigong retreats build confidence and emotional balance.
• Qigong memory training sharpens recall and learning.
• Qigong hemispheric drills engage both brain sides.
• Qigong experiments reveal the power of qi.
• Qigong blindfold practices strengthen family bonds.
• Qigong for creativity sparks imagination and ideas.
• Qigong energy work builds awareness and confidence.
• Qigong daily practice improves health and learning.
• Qigong family retreats inspire lasting transformation.

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Indira Plata Alvarado just came back from a parents and children retreat at the famous Xi'an Center in China. The exercises focused on enhancing memory, creativity, and extrasensory abilities. In essence, however, it is about the transformative impact on Zhineng Qigong, on self-confidence and breaking conventional reference frameworks for both children and adults. Indira Plata Alvarado just came back from a parents and children retreat at the famous Xi'an Center in China. The exercises focused on enhancing memory, creativity, and extrasensory abilities. In essence, however, it is about the transformative impact on Zhineng Qigong, on self-confidence and breaking conventional reference frameworks for both children and adults. Indira Plata Alvarado just came back from a parents and children retreat at the famous Xi'an Center in China. The exercises focused on enhancing memory, creativity, and extrasensory abilities. In essence, however, it is about the transformative impact on Zhineng Qigong, on self-confidence and breaking conventional reference frameworks for both children and adults. Today my guest is Indira Plata Alvarado. Uh, she's from Mexico and she just returned from a long trip that took her among others to the Xi'an Center in China. And, uh, Indira, you've been there with your daughter, I think your daughter is, uh, four or five years old. Uh, how old is she now? Uh, almost five years old. Almost five years old. And I, I had the pleasure to meet both of you in person just two years ago, and that was when we decided to make this podcast. And I know your daughter is around. So dear listeners, if you, uh, uh, hear a happy, uh, children's voice in the background that is, uh, in Indira daughter, so don't, uh, be concerned about that. Uh, interrupt. What did you do at   Xi'an Center? Okay, let me talk about, uh, we have a retreat for Childrens, uh, between six and 16 years old. This retreat was 12 days and uh, is the first retreat, international retreats of  Xi'an Center that open for, uh, Western people because, uh. They have, uh, 23 years, uh, of experience since 2002. Uh, interrupt. What did you do at   Xi'an Center? Okay, let me talk about, uh, we have a retreat for Childrens, uh, between six and 16 years old. This retreat was 12 days and uh, is the first retreat, international retreats of  Xi'an Center that open for, uh, Western people because, uh. They have, uh, 23 years, uh, of experience since 2002. Teacher Gao is a, a woman. Uh, she already opened. Uh, classes for children with Qigong exercise to improve memory, to open, um, abilities, extra sensorial abilities. But, uh, before she work more for, for example, universities with the students to improve memory in different, um, cities like Xi'an, uh, Shanghai, sh. Teacher Gao is a, a woman. Uh, she already opened. Uh, classes for children with Qigong exercise to improve memory, to open, um, abilities, extra sensorial abilities. But, uh, before she work more for, for example, universities with the students to improve memory in different, um, cities like Xi'an, uh, Shanghai, sh. Sheen and other cities. But, um, and then she joined to she center and they began to do retreats for childrens also to work in the elementary and secondary schools, uh, to, um, to give, uh, chicken exercises to improve creativity, memory, to open, um. We call paranormal abilities or our Yi Yuan ti, but then, uh, each year they do for only Chinese families, but in the, in these years, they open is the first time that they open to Western, uh, families to Western people. Sheen and other cities. But, um, and then she joined to she center and they began to do retreats for childrens also to work in the elementary and secondary schools, uh, to, um, to give, uh, chicken exercises to improve creativity, memory, to open, um. We call paranormal abilities or our Yi Yuan ti, but then, uh, each year they do for only Chinese families, but in the, in these years, they open is the first time that they open to Western, uh, families to Western people. Yeah. So you went there and I know you took your daughter, uh, your daughter is a little younger than most of them, because I think you said they were between six and 15 or something like that, right? Yeah. Yes. And you also brought, uh, quite a few other, um, uh, adults, uh, parents with their kids, with you. So there was a mixed group now of Chinese kids and Chinese parents and kids from the west and parents from the west, right? Yeah. So you went there and I know you took your daughter, uh, your daughter is a little younger than most of them, because I think you said they were between six and 15 or something like that, right? Yeah. Yes. And you also brought, uh, quite a few other, um, uh, adults, uh, parents with their kids, with you. So there was a mixed group now of Chinese kids and Chinese parents and kids from the west and parents from the west, right? Yes. Right. Uh, there was, um, uh, really, um. Um, 46, uh, persons. They were, uh, 26 children and 20 parents. Um. Um, 20 persons are from Chinese are from China and the rest of the people, 26 persons are from Germany, Australia, Switzerland, Spain, uh, Czech Republic, and Mexico. So, um. They, uh, give a lot of, uh, experience, uh, for Western people. Yes. Right. Uh, there was, um, uh, really, um. Um, 46, uh, persons. They were, uh, 26 children and 20 parents. Um. Um, 20 persons are from Chinese are from China and the rest of the people, 26 persons are from Germany, Australia, Switzerland, Spain, uh, Czech Republic, and Mexico. So, um. They, uh, give a lot of, uh, experience, uh, for Western people. Um, Lynn, my daughter, uh, who has five years old, she already manage, uh, very easy childrens, uh, before six years old. They have very, they are already, are more very open, uh, less, uh, reference framework. Or, um, maybe the reference framework is not fixed. Uh, totally. So after, uh, seven, after seven years old, so teenagers, yeah. Um, already, you know, have the personality come. Right, right. And teacher Gao, who was the, the head teacher of this, uh, training, what did she do exactly? What was the content of the training? Okay. There are different exercises, uh, between experiments and between exercises. Um, what's balance, what, what is about, for example, uh, to improve, um, memory? Um, already, you know, have the personality come. Right, right. And teacher Gao, who was the, the head teacher of this, uh, training, what did she do exactly? What was the content of the training? Okay. There are different exercises, uh, between experiments and between exercises. Um, what's balance, what, what is about, for example, uh, to improve, um, memory? Um, they manage, uh, we have, uh, a PowerPoint and we manage, uh, 50 pictures. 50 pictures. We began, uh, by, uh, 10 by 10. And childrens. Uh, see the pictures, uh, first the 10 pictures, and then they need to remind all these 10 pictures and then, uh, 20, then 30, and increase at, at the end, uh, 50 pictures. They need to, to, um, remind, uh, forward and uh, backward. Um, they manage, uh, we have, uh, a PowerPoint and we manage, uh, 50 pictures. 50 pictures. We began, uh, by, uh, 10 by 10. And childrens. Uh, see the pictures, uh, first the 10 pictures, and then they need to remind all these 10 pictures and then, uh, 20, then 30, and increase at, at the end, uh, 50 pictures. They need to, to, um, remind, uh, forward and uh, backward. But always with a history. They related with a history. So they improve in this way. The, the memory, this is, uh, one of the exercise I have, they reproduce image also show in the PowerPoint, uh, very fast, and they stop the image, uh, turn off the screen and then need to draw the image totally. Uh, and, and this, with this exercise, they improve, improve, improve this, uh, memory are they, are they doing, I mean, this is not typically Qigong, so is there Qigong involved at the same time that the Qi flow better or something like that? But always with a history. They related with a history. So they improve in this way. The, the memory, this is, uh, one of the exercise I have, they reproduce image also show in the PowerPoint, uh, very fast, and they stop the image, uh, turn off the screen and then need to draw the image totally. Uh, and, and this, with this exercise, they improve, improve, improve this, uh, memory are they, are they doing, I mean, this is not typically Qigong, so is there Qigong involved at the same time that the Qi flow better or something like that? It's combining. I will tell, tell you all the exercise of qigong, first is, uh, about to talk, for example, the how to improve the memory, how to improve the, uh, activation of the both hemispheres of the brain. They need to, with a hand. The left and the right hand training, they, they combine. Hmm. In the, the, the routine in the, all the retreats, they put exercise for memory, for creativity, for imagination. It's combining. I will tell, tell you all the exercise of qigong, first is, uh, about to talk, for example, the how to improve the memory, how to improve the, uh, activation of the both hemispheres of the brain. They need to, with a hand. The left and the right hand training, they, they combine. Hmm. In the, the, the routine in the, all the retreats, they put exercise for memory, for creativity, for imagination. And then, uh, and combined with qigong exercise. This is also very interesting. Maybe I told you about first the, this, uh, exercise. Uh, because very interesting how activate Children's, both hemispheres of the, of the, of the brain, but also they, uh, work a lot with speed. Um, reading with a notebook that they gave us. Uh, just see a point, um, in, uh. Relax a, a state, and then, uh, you pass the, the notebook with, uh, text. And in this way they, uh, improve their reading, uh, speed, speed in the, the raining. Otherwise, a concentration training and. This, uh, exercise also improve the concentration, uh, um, of the, of children's also very interesting. Uh, just see a point, um, in, uh. Relax a, a state, and then, uh, you pass the, the notebook with, uh, text. And in this way they, uh, improve their reading, uh, speed, speed in the, the raining. Otherwise, a concentration training and. This, uh, exercise also improve the concentration, uh, um, of the, of children's also very interesting. uh, he give exercises first, uh, visual test and then, uh, exercises, uh, to improve the vision. This, uh, we do daily and very, very interesting because, um, the 65% of the people improve. The eyes vision is very interesting since children's and adults. Just a moment. Please. , Adera, because I know we are talking about children here, but I know the parents were also there, so I suppose you also did the exercises. Uh, did you? Uh, yes. Parents also do the exercises. Sometimes the parents are with children, sometimes they are in another practice room and they focus more in practices, uh, for example, more La Qi, uh, practices like, um, the, uh, just La qi in the three Dantians. uh, he give exercises first, uh, visual test and then, uh, exercises, uh, to improve the vision. This, uh, we do daily and very, very interesting because, um, the 65% of the people improve. The eyes vision is very interesting since children's and adults. Just a moment. Please. , Adera, because I know we are talking about children here, but I know the parents were also there, so I suppose you also did the exercises. Uh, did you? Uh, yes. Parents also do the exercises. Sometimes the parents are with children, sometimes they are in another practice room and they focus more in practices, uh, for example, more La Qi, uh, practices like, um, the, uh, just La qi in the three Dantians. uh, he give exercises first, uh, visual test and then, uh, exercises, uh, to improve the vision. This, uh, we do daily and very, very interesting because, um, the 65% of the people improve. The eyes vision is very interesting since children's and adults. Just a moment. Please. , Adera, because I know we are talking about children here, but I know the parents were also there, so I suppose you also did the exercises. Uh, did you? Uh, yes. Parents also do the exercises. Sometimes the parents are with children, sometimes they are in another practice room and they focus more in practices, uh, for example, more La Qi, uh, practices like, um, the, uh, just La qi in the three Dantians. uh, he give exercises first, uh, visual test and then, uh, exercises, uh, to improve the vision. This, uh, we do daily and very, very interesting because, um, the 65% of the people improve. The eyes vision is very interesting since children's and adults. Just a moment. Please. , Adera, because I know we are talking about children here, but I know the parents were also there, so I suppose you also did the exercises. Uh, did you? Uh, yes. Parents also do the exercises. Sometimes the parents are with children, sometimes they are in another practice room and they focus more in practices, uh, for example, more La Qi, uh, practices like, um, the, uh, just La qi in the three Dantians. Um. Yes. Uh, several exercise that they get, but sometimes they, uh, come with children's and work together in some of the exercises. I'm asking that question because, um, I, I want to make sure that we understand that the exercises you talk about and the results you talk about are not just for children. So yes, the workshop was focused on, uh, children, but everything we are discussing here is valid for adults as well, right. Yes. Also adults. Uh, the parents get the benefits, uh, together and yes, very, very interesting. Um, just because also it is like, um. Between parents and children's law is like a, a merge on transformation together. Also, children's do a hung gar, merge a lot even they don't know the language, but they play and play a lot. It was amazing how they connect from the heart, not from the mind of the language, from the heart. Yeah, it's very interesting, this, uh, combination and the, uh, the experiments we do. Altogether, parents and childrens. And this is the, the most, um, interesting of this, uh, retreat because the result is, uh, amazing. I will talk about the, the, the results, but the experiment, the basic, the base of the each experiment is organized the qi field . This is all children, adults. Also Lynn, she has almost five years old. She, uh, do the organize qi field. This is very, very beautiful. So there were, uh, different, uh, experiments like magnetism. Uh, the name of the practice is The Body is Magnetic. Uh, you can, uh, put, uh, coins, coins in all your face or in the arms and, and stay in in your face. Yeah, because you create this magnetism in, in your face also with a spoons that you put in, in, in the front and the spoon, uh, doesn't fall down. She, uh, do the organize qi field. This is very, very beautiful. So there were, uh, different, uh, experiments like magnetism. Uh, the name of the practice is The Body is Magnetic. Uh, you can, uh, put, uh, coins, coins in all your face or in the arms and, and stay in in your face. Yeah, because you create this magnetism in, in your face also with a spoons that you put in, in, in the front and the spoon, uh, doesn't fall down. Stay. Stay here, stay here, stay here. Very, very interesting. This because you create with the qi field, uh, organizing the chief field, you are creating this magnetism in this, uh, in the material, uh, objects. Can I just say something because it sounds so amazing. Uh, I think most of our listeners have heard of the needle experiment where we take two needles that are not magnetic and make them magnetic, but this kind of, our logical minds still gets it. Stay. Stay here, stay here, stay here. Very, very interesting. This because you create with the qi field, uh, organizing the chief field, you are creating this magnetism in this, uh, in the material, uh, objects. Can I just say something because it sounds so amazing. Uh, I think most of our listeners have heard of the needle experiment where we take two needles that are not magnetic and make them magnetic, but this kind of, our logical minds still gets it. You know, you've got one metal and it has, uh, magnetism to another metal. But now to have a magnetism from your skin, from your forehead yeah, to spoon that the spoon doesn't fall down. I mean, this is truly mind blowing. Uh, I wish I was. There and could have seen this, uh, in person, but I know, uh, that you also made some recordings, right? Uh, I didn't. Why We shared you. So please dear listeners, we are not gonna share the recordings today because this is a podcast and a lot of people will just listen to it. But I spoke to Indira and, uh, in the near future we will create a video where we are sharing these recordings so you can actually see with your own eyes how these experiments, uh, unfolded. So please stay tuned. Dear listener. We can't do it here because it's a podcast, but we will use another format, uh, in the coming months to show all these incredible results. But Indira, uh, please tell us more about the experiments. Yes, uh, uh, it is very funny also, also, uh, adult, uh, for children. It is very easy, uh, for the co coins to put coins all in your front and in your no, no nose and all your face is very funny. And also parents can do together also the, the, uh, the qi field of all the environment, uh, support everybody to do this. It was very funny. I'm very funny there. The spoons to put in your face that you are, um, magnet. Magnet. Magnet. No, you are the magnet woman or magnet children. No, it is very funny. Magnet man. No, it was very interesting because also we. We do this with the needles. Now, these experiments we already know, um, uh, how to lift, uh, the needles, uh, one needle, two, three, and then pop, pa, pa and all, all, uh, everybody could do. This is very interesting how that she field support to everybody. This is, uh, the magnetism practice, ex experiments. No, it was very interesting because also we. We do this with the needles. Now, these experiments we already know, um, uh, how to lift, uh, the needles, uh, one needle, two, three, and then pop, pa, pa and all, all, uh, everybody could do. This is very interesting how that she field support to everybody. This is, uh, the magnetism practice, ex experiments. Very, very funny. Other, um, experiments is that. To put the information in different, uh, things. For example, the experiment of the spoon when we twist, twist the spoon. I know that in the podcast we cannot show, but how children can, uh, twist the spoons, for example. No. And you, uh, you sent. Information to the spoon, like a soft, soft, soft is like a Play-Doh uhhuh. And then that you, you really can, uh, blend the, the spoon. This is still very hard, but when you are, uh, putting the information, it is very, very soft. This is very, very interesting and also some children's broke the spoons. Very, very interesting. No. The other, uh, about the put information in the things is the plant, uh, uh, the seeds. And then that you, you really can, uh, blend the, the spoon. This is still very hard, but when you are, uh, putting the information, it is very, very soft. This is very, very interesting and also some children's broke the spoons. Very, very interesting. No. The other, uh, about the put information in the things is the plant, uh, uh, the seeds. We know also these, uh, experiments that we put the seed, uh, the seeds and then we send information, good information, or ignore the plant and then grow very beautiful and very fast. And other, uh, about the, uh, to put the information was the cucumber, the graft. How to graft the cucumber when you cook, and then you graft the, the cucumber and, uh, stick very, very well. This is also very, very funny for childrens because you can do also like a cook sculpture, sculpture with the cucumber. No, it's very, very light, right. So what you do is you take a cucumber, you cut it in pieces, and then you put it back together just with qi and it is becomes one unit again. And because you are free to put to do it, which are whichever way, you can actually create sculptures, uh, cucumber sculptures from that. Michelle, what you say? Yes. Okay, good. And this is very funny. Children enjoy, also loved it. Tools like a surprise. No, really surprise. How, how to do this. Also, just see a lot of smiling, uh, all the, all the, uh, people there in this retreat. And then the other experiments very interesting, is how to, uh, feel the qi field of the persons. Michelle, what you say? Yes. Okay, good. And this is very funny. Children enjoy, also loved it. Tools like a surprise. No, really surprise. How, how to do this. Also, just see a lot of smiling, uh, all the, all the, uh, people there in this retreat. And then the other experiments very interesting, is how to, uh, feel the qi field of the persons. Uh, for example, one of the experiments, uh. They put, uh, different leaves of different, say treats. Uh, and then you choose one of the leaves, Uhhuh, for example, uh, children choose, uh, one leaf with the open eyes. Huh? You don't touch the leaf. And then they put all the leaves in the table. And when they put, uh, the leaves in the table, and then the childrens with the blindfold them, uh, uh, um, need to. Find the leaf that choose before with open eyes and amazing. How immediately, uh, choose, uh, when childrens are more early, like, uh, five, six years old. They are very fast, very fast, and I choose this okay, when the age increase is a little bit more difficult, but. Really, really, very successful experiment for children and also adults is very, very interesting. Uh, for example, one of the experiments, uh. They put, uh, different leaves of different, say treats. Uh, and then you choose one of the leaves, Uhhuh, for example, uh, children choose, uh, one leaf with the open eyes. Huh? You don't touch the leaf. And then they put all the leaves in the table. And when they put, uh, the leaves in the table, and then the childrens with the blindfold them, uh, uh, um, need to. Find the leaf that choose before with open eyes and amazing. How immediately, uh, choose, uh, when childrens are more early, like, uh, five, six years old. They are very fast, very fast, and I choose this okay, when the age increase is a little bit more difficult, but. Really, really, very successful experiment for children and also adults is very, very interesting. Uh, for example, one of the experiments, uh. They put, uh, different leaves of different, say treats. Uh, and then you choose one of the leaves, Uhhuh, for example, uh, children choose, uh, one leaf with the open eyes. Huh? You don't touch the leaf. And then they put all the leaves in the table. And when they put, uh, the leaves in the table, and then the childrens with the blindfold them, uh, uh, um, need to. Find the leaf that choose before with open eyes and amazing. How immediately, uh, choose, uh, when childrens are more early, like, uh, five, six years old. They are very fast, very fast, and I choose this okay, when the age increase is a little bit more difficult, but. Really, really, very successful experiment for children and also adults is very, very interesting. And also the, um, uh, other interesting, very interesting experiment is the, is the glasses of water. They put, uh, 20 glasses in a table and three of them, uh, teachers put information for three, only three. One of them is the, the basic, and they put in the front, but the other two, uh, mix, uh, atory mix in the other, uh, glasses and you don't know where are the other two. And also the, um, uh, other interesting, very interesting experiment is the, is the glasses of water. They put, uh, 20 glasses in a table and three of them, uh, teachers put information for three, only three. One of them is the, the basic, and they put in the front, but the other two, uh, mix, uh, atory mix in the other, uh, glasses and you don't know where are the other two. You only know this. And then, uh, children's and adult, uh, pass feel, uh, feel information or the qi field of this. And then they need to find the other two. The other 20 glasses, um, very successful. Um, well, uh, a few person could do is like a 15 person could find, uh, from 46, but they very, very interesting. Someone, uh, find only one, someone, uh, find two glasses, but very, very interest in this exercise. So the only thing that, uh, was done to these glasses, the only difference was that in two of the glasses, in the whole group, there was specific information put in. So nothing visible, nothing had changed, just the information and yeah. Uh, you guys were able to pick it up. Um, that is there. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Yes. This is the information that teachers put in such, right. And then you need to find the other two. Very, very, very interesting. And the other is, uh, uh. . Um, the childrens need to identify their parents with also, uh, blind, uh, folded, and, uh, no touch. Uh, you guys were able to pick it up. Um, that is there. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Yes. This is the information that teachers put in such, right. And then you need to find the other two. Very, very, very interesting. And the other is, uh, uh. . Um, the childrens need to identify their parents with also, uh, blind, uh, folded, and, uh, no touch. Parents. Uh, how was this? All the parents stand up. And then, uh, childrens with a, a blindfolded, uh, also supported with the teachers. Um, pass with each parent and put the hands, not touch, only put the hands, and then pass with other parent. With the other parent, and then choose. Their own parent and all Children's was successful. They, the teacher say that this was the first retreat that, uh, 100% of the children, uh, found their own parent, mother or father, their own parents. Other was a 60% other years, but this is the first year that they found all the parents. Very interesting how they found. If they feel that qi feel of the parent, the information, one guy only say Yes, I just met my parent. Okay. But the parents was in, um, layer more up and was difficult also to smell, but, uh, without touch and blindfolded, without. So all these experiments we really do, uh, a lot of experiments of, of this, uh, in this retreat, new experiments that I didn't know. Now what I know from, uh, the cultural differences between China and uh, the western world is that, uh, usually when you teach, uh, uh, children in China, the goals might be a little different from, uh, the western world. Okay. But the parents was in, um, layer more up and was difficult also to smell, but, uh, without touch and blindfolded, without. So all these experiments we really do, uh, a lot of experiments of, of this, uh, in this retreat, new experiments that I didn't know. Now what I know from, uh, the cultural differences between China and uh, the western world is that, uh, usually when you teach, uh, uh, children in China, the goals might be a little different from, uh, the western world. I know China is very focused on discipline, uh, on uh, achievements, uh, on creating result in people, people's life. Uh, this is why when you talk about memory or fast reading. Uh, increasing intelligence. Um, this is very much a focus in China, right? While in the western world, we most of us have an idea of, you know, letting the charts develop freely, giving a lot of time to play, uh, develop their personality. I know China is very focused on discipline, uh, on uh, achievements, uh, on creating result in people, people's life. Uh, this is why when you talk about memory or fast reading. Uh, increasing intelligence. Um, this is very much a focus in China, right? While in the western world, we most of us have an idea of, you know, letting the charts develop freely, giving a lot of time to play, uh, develop their personality. How did that come together in the retreat? Well, uh, who were more disciplined, where, uh, where the Chinese. Childrens, also Teenager Childrens for Western Childrens. Want to play more, to touch more, to more nature? No, but um, uh, yes. The, this is, uh, very controversial. Controversial. Um, the system of China is more focused, as you say, more, uh, competition, more, um, um. To be very successful. No, that's why, uh, I don't know. Maybe these, uh, kind of exercises of memory are, uh, very successful in the university because, because teacher Gao since 2002 is working in universities in primary, in the elementary and secondary schools, and they receive, they accept very well this kind of exercise, uh, focusing the. To be very successful. No, that's why, uh, I don't know. Maybe these, uh, kind of exercises of memory are, uh, very successful in the university because, because teacher Gao since 2002 is working in universities in primary, in the elementary and secondary schools, and they receive, they accept very well this kind of exercise, uh, focusing the. Concentration memory, no. In order that they can get more, more, more information. More information in order that they can just, um, in the professional way they can, uh, have good results. No, but the for us was, uh, the most important for Western and I, and I think these children's Chinese children's also, because a lot of the parents are qigong teachers. It's amazing also, it is, uh, that work in Xi'An Center and the Children's are there. So they do, uh, very good. Uh, the, the qigong exercise, like, uh, wall squats with daily practice, wall squat, uh, wall squats, also Chen Qi. We do this and the children's already know how to, how to do, you know. But, um, for Western, um. It's amazing also, it is, uh, that work in Xi'An Center and the Children's are there. So they do, uh, very good. Uh, the, the qigong exercise, like, uh, wall squats with daily practice, wall squat, uh, wall squats, also Chen Qi. We do this and the children's already know how to, how to do, you know. But, um, for Western, um. I think, uh, well, I, I will talk about the most important, uh, benefits because this is not only, uh, to blend a spoon or how to find, uh, the leaf. No. Uh, the most important is, um, this transform the way of thinking, feeling, and living of the child. Also for the parents, and. Children can increase their creativity, can increase or improve your memory, but also they can improve their mental or to achieve, um, greater mental clarity. I think, uh, well, I, I will talk about the most important, uh, benefits because this is not only, uh, to blend a spoon or how to find, uh, the leaf. No. Uh, the most important is, um, this transform the way of thinking, feeling, and living of the child. Also for the parents, and. Children can increase their creativity, can increase or improve your memory, but also they can improve their mental or to achieve, um, greater mental clarity. To have mental clarity also, uh, relax deeply, develop emotional stability and also. I think the most, one of the most important to ex strengthen the, your self-confidence and self-assurance and all these benefits. I'm sorry. Um. All these benefits, um, are naturally integrated, integrated into the, your growth. Uh, they began to apply these tools in all ar areas of their life, like school, in the relationships in at home, uh, with parents, with friends, also in their professional future. But this is, uh, the key. The key of this kind of retreats, the key of this kind of experiments to do these experiments is not, not, not only the blend, the blend spoon. Uh, they began to apply these tools in all ar areas of their life, like school, in the relationships in at home, uh, with parents, with friends, also in their professional future. But this is, uh, the key. The key of this kind of retreats, the key of this kind of experiments to do these experiments is not, not, not only the blend, the blend spoon. This is the key. I think I, I, I totally get that. And, uh, I think the, the purpose of these things is not to run out of cutlery eventually, because all your spoons are banded at home. Uh, the purpose of these exercises is to show, uh, the child and the adult how powerful they really are. Yeah. Because this is key to zhineng qigong, the idea. Dear, is that you, yourself are powerful. You have the power to heal yourself, to create a wonderful health, to create a wonderful life. And if I see that I can do things that where the Western world would say, it's not even possible if I, if I suddenly realize, no, I can't do these things. This must do wonders for self confided. Uh, particular for a young, for a young mind, a young heart of a child. If I grow up with it confident, I will have it much easier, uh, later on. But also for people that are grown up or in their, in their, uh, in older age, when they face, um, a health challenge and they do these experiments and they realize how powerful they really are. Now, if I can change the material world, I can as well change the material world within me. So if I have, you know, some, uh, some disease that needs to be transformed, of course I can do it because, you know, these experiments show me how powerful I am. And I think this is the value, obviously a lot for children because we all want our kids to grow up with self-confidence and owning their power. But it's true for anyone really. Um, and, uh, this is why these experiments are so important. As, as you, you described very well. Exactly. How is this because also, uh, broke, uh. Reference framework, , no. Yes, I know Childrens here in my hometown that, uh, the doctor fix the information to the child that has the diabetes. Come on. No, that, don't fix this information to the child. You can change your information. You can change your body, your cells not connect with the new information. But yes, these tools is for that, what you say, um, Stan? Yes. Totally. Totally. So from your perspective, I mean, you've been there, there you have, uh, all these experiences, these wonderful days together with the children and the teachers and the parents. Come on. No, that, don't fix this information to the child. You can change your information. You can change your body, your cells not connect with the new information. But yes, these tools is for that, what you say, um, Stan? Yes. Totally. Totally. So from your perspective, I mean, you've been there, there you have, uh, all these experiences, these wonderful days together with the children and the teachers and the parents. Now, what are your learnings? What are you taking back home for yourself and your life? Well, this, uh, amazing change of, um, this surprise. Of the life that you can put down your logical mind, you can be free, you can enjoy also as a adult, a lot of. Nourishment nutrition from the happiness of the children. Oh. Um, this is like, uh, when you launch a stone in a lake and this stone create waves, uhhuh these waves. Each children's in this retreat, each child of this retreat. Create these ways, and it's transforming also the humanity, also the information of the world of, of the universe. No, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's amazing how they, uh, can, um, uh, how you say, uh, get these, uh, tools in early age and they can change, uh, themselves and the humanity. Um, this is like, uh, when you launch a stone in a lake and this stone create waves, uhhuh these waves. Each children's in this retreat, each child of this retreat. Create these ways, and it's transforming also the humanity, also the information of the world of, of the universe. No, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's, it's amazing how they, uh, can, um, uh, how you say, uh, get these, uh, tools in early age and they can change, uh, themselves and the humanity. No, this is. What I'm surprised also, uh, what I am talking about the nutrition as an advert, that we are very close. Our Yi Yuan Ti is more closed. When you are practice, you know, uh, the childrens put the happiness information in the qi field, this joyful, this plenitude. And when you are practiced with your Yi Yuan Ti, you are receiving also this information and suddenly this block, all this, uh, illness or sadness information because you get this nutrition from the children also in this retreat happen. This No. Families were, uh, we were very happy. We enjoy a lot because on not only was in a, okay, it was in a classroom, in a, in a hotel, the retreat, but only we didn't do this. No, this is. What I'm surprised also, uh, what I am talking about the nutrition as an advert, that we are very close. Our Yi Yuan Ti is more closed. When you are practice, you know, uh, the childrens put the happiness information in the qi field, this joyful, this plenitude. And when you are practiced with your Yi Yuan Ti, you are receiving also this information and suddenly this block, all this, uh, illness or sadness information because you get this nutrition from the children also in this retreat happen. This No. Families were, uh, we were very happy. We enjoy a lot because on not only was in a, okay, it was in a classroom, in a, in a hotel, the retreat, but only we didn't do this. No, this is. What I'm surprised also, uh, what I am talking about the nutrition as an advert, that we are very close. Our Yi Yuan Ti is more closed. When you are practice, you know, uh, the childrens put the happiness information in the qi field, this joyful, this plenitude. And when you are practiced with your Yi Yuan Ti, you are receiving also this information and suddenly this block, all this, uh, illness or sadness information because you get this nutrition from the children also in this retreat happen. This No. Families were, uh, we were very happy. We enjoy a lot because on not only was in a, okay, it was in a classroom, in a, in a hotel, the retreat, but only we didn't do this. We go outside, we visit different, uh, cultural, uh, places and was included in the retreat. Uh, for example, we visit the Xian ancient city wall. The. wild Goose pagoda, uh, museum of the Science and Technology and um, as we also visit the shows of the very beautiful legend of camel, uh, the road of the silk, all these kind of things also was a lot of nutrition and the food enjoy. We go outside, we visit different, uh, cultural, uh, places and was included in the retreat. Uh, for example, we visit the Xian ancient city wall. The. wild Goose pagoda, uh, museum of the Science and Technology and um, as we also visit the shows of the very beautiful legend of camel, uh, the road of the silk, all these kind of things also was a lot of nutrition and the food enjoy. Chinese, uh, cuisine. All this is also, um, makeup, uh, do, um, through, uh. In, in China, they, um, dress, uh, clothes with traditional Chinese, uh, of dynasty of the Dynasty tank. And also with the makeup also to experience this sensation is very funny. Uh, really, really, uh, enjoy a lot. Also we visit Xian Center. We get classes there. Uh, we get, um, classes of TCM massage, TCM to know, uh, specific points and how to relax, how to, um, reduce the ancient tea, uh, fever or all these kinds. We also know this, you know, a coupon tour was very, uh, integrative, uh, retreat. Not only that. Exercise to improve memory or to do, uh, experiments? No. Also was entirety to know the, the, the Chinese culture. Uh, we get, um, classes of TCM massage, TCM to know, uh, specific points and how to relax, how to, um, reduce the ancient tea, uh, fever or all these kinds. We also know this, you know, a coupon tour was very, uh, integrative, uh, retreat. Not only that. Exercise to improve memory or to do, uh, experiments? No. Also was entirety to know the, the, the Chinese culture. We do this kind of also exercise of uh, uh, I am showing an image, uh, the creativity, uh, how to create, uh, the. The image of the opera of Peking, uh, this, um, uh, improve the creativity. We do a lot, a lot of things. Very, very amazing things we're very blessed because in this retreat we get the information of 23 years of experience of teacher Goa and also for Xian Center, because also there are other teachers who, who was involved in this retreat. We do this kind of also exercise of uh, uh, I am showing an image, uh, the creativity, uh, how to create, uh, the. The image of the opera of Peking, uh, this, um, uh, improve the creativity. We do a lot, a lot of things. Very, very amazing things we're very blessed because in this retreat we get the information of 23 years of experience of teacher Goa and also for Xian Center, because also there are other teachers who, who was involved in this retreat. We get all these 23 experience information, uh, uh. All involved in this retreat, so wow. We get a lot of gifts in this. I think I totally get your enthusiasm, uh, about this wonderful experience and this wonderful retreat, Indira, and, uh, I know because it went so wonderful that you are planning to launch a similar retreat, the same retreat, uh, next year. Um, it's a little early yet. But it's going to be sometime in, , late summer, autumn again next year. And, uh, please, uh, dear listeners, follow the students hub. We will obviously talk about it. We will announce it in our newsletter when it happens, so that if you are a parent and would like to have this experience together with your child or your children, that you know, uh, this is possible. And I must say, I also love the, the, uh, how, how you. Incorporate ang Qigong into more than just the classroom. So when you describe all the activities you do, you do them in the Qigong spirit because Qigong is not just an exercise in the, in the classroom. It is 24 hours in your daily life. And I think you've incorporated this beautifully and showed the wholeness of ang Qigong by doing these activities together, uh, with the kids and together with the teachers. And I must say, I also love the, the, uh, how, how you. Incorporate ang Qigong into more than just the classroom. So when you describe all the activities you do, you do them in the Qigong spirit because Qigong is not just an exercise in the, in the classroom. It is 24 hours in your daily life. And I think you've incorporated this beautifully and showed the wholeness of ang Qigong by doing these activities together, uh, with the kids and together with the teachers. So, um. Wonderful, uh, Idera. We will also put your contact details or your website in the show notes. Of course, if somebody, you know, wants to get in touch with you, uh, I know you are focusing now on chi uh, children because you're so inspired and you've got this beautiful, uh, daughter. Um, so, but you're also working with adults, right? Um, or at least have. Work with adults. That's also something, uh, but your priority now is the the kids. But, uh, in any case, somebody wants to talk to you and hear more, they are, uh, welcome to find out more about on your, on your website. Yeah. I thank you so much, Torsten. I appreciate this opportunity. Wonderful Indira. And uh, just a little reminder, we are going to do a follow up session, which is not a podcast then, but you know, where you can show some of the video recordings that you have so people can have a , firsthand, um, um, idea of what happened exactly. Now, now, thank you very much, Idera, uh, give my love to Ling.