Misunderstandings in Zhineng Qigong - Luise Kohl Hayek

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In today’s Qigong podcast, Luise Kohl Hayek challenges listeners to rethink their relationship with Zhineng Qigong, particularly how daily Qigong practice can be integrated into a holistic Qigong lifestyle. While many practitioners experience calm during  Zhineng Qigong exercises, Luise highlights that the authentic Qigong state should extend far beyond formal sessions and into everyday life. She explores the misunderstanding of affirmations like “Hao La”, often used superficially, and introduces vision writing Qigong as a tool for deeper emotional healing, self-awareness, and conscious living. This technique encourages practitioners to engage their senses, embody good information, and develop a clear sense of purposeful Qigong.

A core theme is the continuous application of good information Qigong—not just during structured sessions, but through every thought, word, and interaction. True emotional healing Qigong and personal growth occur when we release self-judgment, practice self-love Qigong, and remain open to inner transformation. Rather than giving away personal power to Qigong masters or falling into the trap of spiritual bypass, Luise advocates for taking full self-responsibility and living a life guided by joy, awareness, and intention. The Qigong state not as a temporary state, but is a holistic lifestyle.

Join Luise Kohl Hayek as she unpacks the common misunderstandings in Zhineng Qigong!

Mindful Moments: 

• Qigong practice should continue beyond sessions.
• The true Qigong state is a daily way of being.
• Zhineng Qigong is misunderstood when “Hao La” is used superficially.
• Vision writing Qigong deepens healing and clarity.
• Good information Qigong keeps thoughts positive and intentional.
• Emotional healing Qigong starts with self-awareness.
• Self-love Qigong embraces flaws with kindness.
• Empowerment Qigong means owning your healing path.
• Qigong must avoid spiritual bypassing.
• A holistic Qigong lifestyle blends joy and discipline.

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Transcript

Luise Kohl Hayek makes a bold statement. Many practitioners misunderstand some of the principles of zhineng qigong. Her observations should not be understood as the ultimate truth. But rather as a starting point for a broader discussion and as an opportunity to question one's own ideas and how one implements these ideas into everyday life.

My name is Torsten Lüddecke and this is the Wisdom Qigong podcast.

Welcome everyone. Today I've got  Luise Kohl Hayek with me.  Luise , it's your second time on the, on the podcast. The first show was just fantastic, so I thought we should meet again, and I'm very happy that you suggested a topic today, which is, you know, quite intriguing. You speak about understanding, misunderstanding, and not understanding zhineng qigong

So what made you think of that topic, please? I. I would like to talk about, uh, a few misunderstandings, which, um.

Yeah, which may happen, which happened to me, which happened to many of the students I know, et cetera. And I would like to start with the one word we always say when we finish practice. Okay? This is something which might. For somebody who starts, um, learning zhineng qigong is a little bit strange. It sounds nice, it sounds a bit like Aloha in Hawaii and it's a nice word anyway, but, um, actually, what does it mean?

So it's the, the Chinese word for its already good as we know how, in fact, not la but, but we say LA because it sounds nicer. And, uh, so when someone has. Real chronic disease, for example, and, uh, is confronted by this. Okay? It's already good. It's already good. He might, he or she might really feel like, okay, uh, am I, um, yeah.

Uh, should I fake, fake something? Should I fake? Uh, that is already good. So the faking aspect is something that is really, uh, something we, uh, we might talk about. Uh, I often heard fake it until you make it in, in the context of, uh. Actually also by teachers. Um, and I thought, okay, that's right, because I felt, um, when I am, yeah, on days when I feel blue or whatever, I don't feel like at my best, uh.

In the past, for example, when I still was working in school and I, uh, gave to myself like positive affirmation, I'm already good. I'm held, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm supported, I'm protected, I'm loved, et cetera. It helped, it did help and all these things help, but they help only to a certain point, and then life comes at you and, uh, tells you, okay, oh, you, it helped for a while, but it didn't help.

All through, you know, and, um, so, um, I think this how LA should be understa understood, uh, in such a way, uh, that you mm, use it in order to go beyond your present situation and try to feel as much as you can when it's already solved. But this small halah or give yourself good information at the end of every practice, to my mind, is often not really enough.

It's like also send, send good information to you, to yourself, and send good information to the world. It's nice at that moment. I can feel it at that moment, but to my mind, it often doesn't go deep enough. Um, that's why, for example, I started two years ago, a little group. Online group. Uh, and I called it vision writing, how lab vision writing, and, uh, with a very small group of, of, uh, women actually, uh, we talked about it.

Uh, how can we get really to that situ enough feeling of it's already solved. And, uh, and we write regularly. We meet every week and we, um. We, yeah. Often we don't know exactly where we want to go, but we know we want to go to, uh, a state where we feel completely at ease in harmony. Yeah. And where, where we feel like we are held, we are carried, we, we, um, yeah, we have peace with ourselves and with the world.

And the world and, and the family and everything is in harmony. So, um, we, uh, start writing very often without having a clear intention, whereas with manifestation, uh, groups, et cetera, it's always said you need a clear intention in order to get where you want to go. So. But to my mind, this is too much control.

I have done all that, but it's, uh, controlling. Controlling. So I want a new Porsche in front of my, uh, house. And I, I see it so many times that in the end, I, there it is. I've even had, I've been successful with things like that. Not with a Porsche, but with other things. But, uh, but I don't feel any longer that this is it, that this is what it's about, but it's.

Actually, why do I want the Porsche? Why do I want anything? I want to be at peace. I want to feel loved. I want to feel loved for everyone around me and for everyone in the world. And that's, that's the, the aim and how I get there. Well, that's the different story. So just one more sentence. What I, what we do is we.

We write and we try to, um, uh, include as many central. experiences, like, uh, we, what do I hear? What do I smell? What do I feel? Who's around me? What's the weather like and what do I, yeah, what, what's the ground under my feet? And then I start riding for 15 minutes and then we talk about it, we read it out, and we feel that this makes such a big difference in our lives.

And that is the how la really for me. In, in, in the practice is only a small, small ending. Positive, positive exclamation now, but actually, you know, uh, this is more to me. Yeah. if I understand you correctly, and I think it's very interesting what you're saying here, uh, there are two aspects to it.

The first one is that, uh, you feel that, uh, a lot of people when they use the haah, there's a part of them which feels they are deceiving themself because they know currently they have a disease, yet they pretend it's not there because it's already good. Right. Yeah. Now this is the first aspect of what you touched, and I totally get it.

Um, and I've got my own personal view on these things, obviously. And for me, uh, when I use that, how la it, it's, it's not conflicting with my current situation, but it is in fact, it's an already good, it's already solved in the future. So basically the information. Everything that I need to be totally healthy or wherever I want to be, or to have the situation resolved is already there in the future.

So connecting with that information, and we all know how important the information is because the information will form our future. So, so this is why for me, I don't have the feeling of deceiving myself because I know there is a current reality and there is another reality, which is in the future, which is already good.

So I think I can say it, you know, fullheartedly, but it's important to understand something like that. It doesn't have to be the way I look at it, but it's important to, to, to do that. Otherwise, yeah, it's, it's like if I look into the mirror and say, uh, I'm rich and beautiful, and I'll say it a hundred times and then I look again, and then I say, yeah, yeah, I might be rich, but I'm certainly not beautiful.

Or something like that. Uh, okay, I'm just making this up now. Yeah. So this is one aspect, right? Mm-hmm. And, and the second is that, um, what you're saying is it's not, well for most of us, it's not done by just using this word, which we can become a routine without us even now, even getting into the feeling into the vision.

And I think what's, that's where your word comes to it because you said that. What's the point of saying to words like Hola or Hola? Um, if you don't get into the actual state of what it really means. And if I understand that correctly, like your group, what you're doing is you're really putting yourself into that state, but mm-hmm.

Not by being too rigorous about what does it exactly look like? Yeah. So I would say in your example, and we see this as Okay, would also do, it doesn't have to be a Porsche, right? Because what you really want to achieve with your, with your vision isn't necessary. So narrow minded, And, uh, we know how important, it's not only open heart, it's also open mind, which means being open to, you know, whatever might come up.

And, um, and that might show up in a very different way than I have with my limited imagination and my limited mind tells me. Mm-hmm. Is that kind of, uh. Am I mirroring you correctly in what you wanted to get across, or is there anything you would like to add? Okay, cool. No, no, no. It's, it's perfect. It's perfect actually.

Yes. Um, yes, I have the feeling that, okay, when we practice, for example, my group and, and we say how loud in the end, there's not a. People don't feel like they fake it, but, uh, you may come out, you may go home, I mean, and then you encounter your grumpy husband or whatever. Where's the halah then? And, uh, yeah, it, it may be too short.

Uh, it may be too, too much limited to the practice periods, and it does not, uh, very often it does not, uh, uh, let's say like, yeah, merge with your life enough. Um, and if you have like, pictures of your life, concrete pictures of your life, which we do in the, in this writing exercise for example, somebody, uh, envisions themselves in, in their garden and, uh, peel the grass, uh, below the feet and there's concrete, more concrete in, in, in chi.

During, of course, we are in the empty space, which is beautiful, which is great, but it's also, it's not. Either or, but it's also important to my mind to have like, uh, these concrete images from time to time, not just, uh, yeah, being in outer space in the, in the, in the beautiful, uh, formless universe, but also like connecting to the form, which we do every day.

Like, you know, connecting to the form in a, in a new way. Uh, I'm already, I'm already here, sitting here and everything's fine. Wonderful. I smell the, the, the clear fresh breeze of the air and so on and so on. And that's, uh, that's adding, adding to, uh, to the, to the practice, uh, experience. Yeah. Right. Right.

Okay. So you are inviting us basically to take certain things that we do in Chinen, Qigong mm-hmm. And you know, and question what we are doing and going a little deeper and exploring that further. Yeah. To make it be stronger and more effective at the end of the day. Right. Exactly. Yeah. That's because I, I found, yeah, I found for myself, I found that.

Somehow it doesn't, not only with myself, but also with other people. It's, it's not, uh, yeah. The, uh, transfer or the Yeah. Really in your life. In our lives. It, it was not visible enough. Not in all areas. And, and it has to be visible. It has to be. Yeah. You have to feel it, and you have to live it. And so, so I, um, I'm all, all the time trying to develop other tools to, to, for myself also to, to find that, Now this is a wonderful example of, you know, one, uh, very important thing of Zhineng Qigong where a lot of people might not fully understand. I, I'm not gonna say as far as to say, not understand, but not fully understand or slightly misunderstand.

Mm-hmm. Have you discovered other areas where you feel like, okay, you know, I have something to add here and maybe I can people think and explore deeper? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um. Actually, I, I noted down that, um, what I found find so very important is really the importance, uh, of good information. What is good information?

Good information comes with every word we speak, not just during practice. Uh, so that is so important. Um. That we give good information to ourselves, not only at the end of every practice where we say, okay, give yourself good information. Yeah, give yourself like a, a good wish for your life or whatever.

But the, the very next moment when I drop something. I'm talking to myself if I have, uh, certain, certain imprint, oh, how stupid of myself, how could I drop that? You know, that is not good information anymore. So really to understand what is good information, it's not limited to practice, it's limited. It's, it's, no, it's expands to my whole life.

And if I, if I've, um, observe myself that I cannot really keep that after practice. I'm again and again, talking badly to myself, giving myself and other people that information. Then I really have to not only observe, but have to dig deeper. I. And understand where that did it come from. And it's not necessarily Ong that can help me in that respect, but I have to find other ways to, to, to cope with, uh, maybe even trauma that, uh, uh, shaped me in a certain way.

So I found that, um, Jung is, is wonderful, but there's other things and there's other things too, which, uh, I need. Maybe in order to to really change from the inside out. So good information every moment to myself and to others who can do that. I mean, we all, uh, we all swear and do things like that from time to time.

That is a fact, and it's not a sin or anything that, yeah. Then also another thing is when I do that, how do I treat myself? When I find myself not, uh, being morally or yeah, fully, uh, wonderful and, and all the time telling myself, oh, positive, positive things. We will catch ourselves in certain moments when we do not feel so well in the morning.

Oh, whatever happened, we will catch ourselves not being all so good, uh, with ourselves and the others. And, and how do I treat myself then? And then, uh, it's. I found that accepting is a very, very important thing, accepting whatever I did without judging. And that's what we are told in zhineng qigong. Don't judge, don't judge.

And that is the moment when I need to really bring that to my life, not just to my practice. And yeah. And living, uh, zhineng qigong in my life means giving myself good information and others. As much as I can every moment, and if I cannot do it, trying to open. So, um, there were moments when, in my own life when I found that, um, I found it difficult to tell myself I love myself.

Yeah. But, uh, then it's good to say I'm open to learn to love myself, so make the steps a little bit, not as steep. And, uh, I think that is something that also helps people who really come in a really bad state, uh, to to, and yeah, fully negative and whatever. You cannot just expect them to open full range.

It's, it's just not possible. But to, yeah, to help them support them. Oh, yeah. Can you open to, yeah. Maybe it helps, maybe it, it, I, I'll become better. Okay. I can open to that. And then step by step, guiding yourself and guiding others. That is something that's important. Yeah. I, I think, again, you've touched three very, as I understand you, three very important aspects here.

Now, the first one is, is that, uh, zhineng qigong doesn't end with a practice. Right? Mm-hmm. And I think a good way for all of us to question us is, uh, I hear so often that people say, oh, I did the practice and I felt so good. Now, if you're only feeling so good when you are doing the practice, this is a clear sign that the rest of the day you're not in the Qigong state.

Right. So this is a nice, it's, it's not saying, oh, you are doing, you're not doing well or anything. I'm just saying it's an indicator. Yeah. So if, if that's me, then I, then I say, oh, that's interesting. You know, I feel so good while I do Qigong, and then I kind of switch that part off and I go into my regular life and I'm just a miserable self that I've always been.

Right. I'm exaggerating now. Uh, but if that is the case, then it's, it's, it's a clear indicator of. Ah, okay. That's interesting. Mm-hmm. I'll manage to be in the qigong state while I do my exercise, but you know, there's work for me to do awareness work mainly. Mm-hmm. I go through the day that I keep that mindset and that I keep to be being in that state.

Mm-hmm. Now, this, I think is, is very, it is very important in particular for beginners because they, uh, they might just think it's, it's a 15 minute thing that they do every day, and then it's over. No, it isn't. It's 24 hours way of being. Now, but then you said now if you catch yourself, um, um, not living up to that standard now, how do you deal with that?

And there's, that is obviously very important because, you know, we are humans and, uh, yeah, we might just, uh, be somewhere else with our mind and we might mess things up. Um, I'm just talking about other people here now, right? Just about, yeah. Yeah, of course. And, uh, and then how do we treat that? And just as we are invited to, um, be very loving with other people and yeah, if they make mistakes to be loving and understanding, that is exactly how we are invited to be towards ourself.

I. So if I mess it up, if I'm in a position to look at me at myself lovingly and say, uh, isn't that funny? I, I'm doing this again? Um, but mm-hmm. Yeah. In a loving way and an understanding way, um, then it's so much easier to deal with it and I will not get into a downward spiral. I'm. I am able to interrupt this pattern and mm-hmm.

Get it back into the loving, into the, uh, into the happy state. Yeah. So that's the second thing you said. And then the third thing you said, you said so much, Louisa, the third thing you said is. Let's not forget life is more than just Xiang Chile. Mm-hmm. Right. Because sometimes there might be other aspects that we also need to deal with.

Uh, you mentioned trauma, for example. So if I'm dealing with trauma, it might well be that I have to do some work there as well. Uh, it might not be enough to just do the lift shop. Mm-hmm. Maybe I have to face, you know, whatever I need to face there or deal with whatever I need to do with. Mm-hmm. But it doesn't have to be things like Trauma.

It can also be like my nutrition. Uh, if I, if I only put junk into my body, uh, and wonder why the lift you up doesn't work, well, guess what? I've got a, I've got an explanation here, right? So, so that's, that's the third thing that people might misunderstand. It's not this One thing I need to do, and then everything will be good.

Now it's a holistic mm-hmm. We are living a holistic life. Mm-hmm. And there are many things we have to look in. Um, and yeah. And in a way, you know, zhineng qigong is inviting us also to do these things. There's, there's a reason why Ang Qigong also talks about healthy relationships. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is not an exercise like the wall squats, it's something very different, but it's still part of the Ji Gong idea.

Mm-hmm. Um, and we need to make sure people don't misunderstand that and think If I do the wall squats and the lift shop, I'll be fine. No, there is more to it. And uh, and I think that's what you've been inviting us to look into. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's, uh, one point I would like to, uh, to add, to mention.

Um, for some time several years ago, I had the feeling that in a way I had also used, uh, zhineng qigong a little bit, uh, to in order to, yeah, to bypass a few things in my life. So then I heard the term spiritual bypass. I thought, oh, interesting. That is some, yeah, that is something that, uh. Might fit because you, uh, you just open up.

It's so beautiful to the universe, to the empty space. You feel like, I actually felt very often like I'm in heaven already. It's, yeah, it's wonderful. So when, um, when I flew to China, I might, I might mention that for, yeah, for the first time in, in 2003, uh, because I had my cancer, I wanted healing, et cetera.

Then it was a, a long flight, my first long flight, and I felt like. Oh, I know this up here. I'm here, I'm in every practice. I'm here. I'm up here in this empty space. So Beautiful. Okay. It's beautiful, as you said already. Uh, when I practice, very beautiful. I'm already there, but it, uh, it is, it might be a spiritual bypass if only then, as you already said, actually, um, if only then, uh, I feel like, uh, I'm there, I'm already at peace at, I'm already where I want to be, so, um, it it, it takes real work down here on earth. In my life, I. It's not done with standing here doing my lift up, doing my war squats or whatever. This is not enough. This is what I felt. That doesn't mean is, uh, it's, it's not enough.

Uh, it's, it's just, it takes work. It takes actual work daily. Every hour I need to observe, I need to be aware, et cetera. And, uh, that is maybe what people. Also myself don't want to hear. When they start, they think, okay, that's a quick fix. Maybe not quick, but a fix. At least something that solves everything.

But no.

but the question is which path am I taking? So, for example, if I'm a beginner and I start with the lift you up and I suddenly realize, wow, this, there's something is happening here and that she's starting to work and I'm seeing results, and so on and so on.

That. Now the question is what do I do with it? Do I keep it in the exercise in the half an hour that I'll do Qigong or do I take it to my every day to my day life? so one could easily say zhineng qigong is totally complete, but only if I integrate it into my, into my complete life. Exactly.

If I don't do the integration into my whole life, then it's not complete. And, um, exactly. so let's go back to the spiritual bypass. I mean, I really love that, that, uh, metaphor because, uh, yeah, when you have a bypass, it means that the original artery is still clocked, but you are kind of bypassing the whole, the whole situation, right?

Yeah. And in a spiritual way, it's, uh, it, it can, it can easily be the same thing. It can be a tool to avoid something I would actually need to confront. And to resolve. And we don't want that. Exactly. yeah, it's, we discuss the people that, you know, that do the exercise and are, you know, fully happy in this half hour and then they're miserable afterwards.

But you can even take it further. No, I know there are people, um, and um, uh, that, yeah, that only are happy when they work with a certain master. So they're even giving their power away from who they are and their own. The master. Only if the master, you know, works with them or does his se or her session, then I feel good.

Now this is all bypass, obvious bypass, um, and I think you wanted to add something to that, right? Yes, exactly. Oh, this is the point actually I wanted to talk about. Very good. Because yes, I also feel like, um, we are giving our power away when we, when we think zhineng qigong master from China can heal me at, uh, it's about healing.

He can give me, or yeah, mostly he, mostly men actually. Can give me everything I don't have now. I want good health. I want a harmonious life, and they can give me, uh, what I need. They know better than me, of course. Uh, it's the same thing as if we go to a doctor and take a pill, but only in another way.

Actually, it's, it's giving, uh, yeah, thinking that somebody else knows, has the solutions for myself. I think we have to understand, okay, somebody can support me. Okay. I can ask for support, but not, uh, and no one can heal me if I'm not, uh, open to healing myself if I'm not. I. Actually opening up to, uh, to the power that, um, yeah, that makes, that created us, that fills us, that, uh, surrounds us.

If I'm not open to that, nobody can actually help me. And, uh, yeah, I feel it's very difficult maybe also for the masters because they, they offer healing sessions, et cetera. Some don't. As for example, teacher Jianshe at first he did not, uh, like healing at all. Um, even at his, in his own center, he said he doesn't want anyone healing, uh, healing another because he, he is aware of that, that we need to, to be aware of our own power.

Um. But, uh, and of course people also earn money by that is you have to Yeah. It's, it's act actually true. And I have felt that, uh, healing sessions can really be very powerful, uh, without any question. I've seen that because I, I supported, uh, Jean Qigong, uh, teachers who were in my house and people came for healing, et cetera.

So. It really changed something. So it's not that it doesn't work, but the point is, for example, there was a man who had like a limited vision only, and he, his wife brought, brought him here and he had the healing session. After that he could see for a long years he had not seen, but of course two weeks later it was, had already gone.

It's, it's not. Not you have to, but if you want something to last, an effect to last, it's necessary that you work with it with the tools yourself. That is so important. Yeah. I'm glad you're touching on this point because, you know, this episode is called, uh, understanding, misunderstanding and not understanding, uh, Jiang Qigong.

And I think this is, uh, in, in people that think that way. It's, it is a huge misunderstanding because the, the idea of Dr. Pang when he was the man who broke with the tradition in, in tradition, Chinese tradition, the Masters would keep. The secrets for themself. And he was the one that said, no, I'm breaking with this tradition.

I want everyone to own their power. So that is the, a basic idea zhineng qigong. But we are not, we are not used to it because E, everywhere else in life, we are looking at an authority because they know better. And it's bridge life. It's the same thing. So this is one of the biggest misunderstandings that we look at the master or the teacher and think, wow, he's the great guy and he knows better now he.

He can inspire you, he can teach you certain things, but the power is ultimately, uh, within you and mm-hmm to own that power. That is the key of, uh, you know, of what we are doing in Ong. And I think a lot of the masters are doing this really well because they, when they talk to the students, they say You are the master.

So I, yeah. Yeah. And she is one of them. And Master Lui, also Yeah. When you talk to him, he would say, no, you are the master. So everybody here is the master. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I think that's the, that's the, that's the mindset I need because it's my health, it's my body, it's my life. Mm-hmm. So I want to own that and I should own that.

Now, having said that, because we touched about, uh, uh, on that, healing sessions can be very successful, very useful. And that is also true. So it's not one or the other. So if you have someone you know who's got great skill, skills and healing, and it can support you on your path, of course it's a good idea.

Of course, it's wonderful. It's everywhere in life. Now. If you've got someone, uh, if you partner up with someone and you do things together and he supports you, uh, on your path, that's great and it can greatly help you. But ultimately now it's your life and you need to take responsibility. And, uh, I think that's, that's.

That's important and I'm glad that you, you know, that you brought this up here. Okay. Yeah. Uh, I'd like to add something about healing, uh, as I had, uh, this, uh, experience with my own cancer and, uh, well of course with different people I worked with, there was a lot about healing, but I've come to have a, a really different understanding.

Also, when I went to China at that time in 2003, I already knew. I don't need, uh, uh, I, I must not focus on healing too much. I must not fix my, my mind too much on, I have to get healed because that is not good. And that is something I, I really find important to mention and to, to be aware of. If you want to get healed, you always are away.

Healing is here you are here, I want to get healed so I'm not healed already. So all the time I have this, I want to get healed. And, um, so it's, it's actually good. And that is a little bit tricky, uh, because you have to, yeah, you have really to, to play a trick on yourself and that is a little bit like faking maybe.

You have to forget about wanting to get healed when you are, when you need healing, and at the same time, ask for support like a paradox. I need to no longer be focused on, on healing, but take all the steps in order to get healed, but focus my mind and my whole being on. Why am I? Why do I want to live?

What am I happy about? What is my purpose? Why am I here? Because if I don't know this. It is, why should I get healed at all? So it's much more important to really focus on things you love to do. You love to serve others or whatever you want, and find your passion. Find the the point why your life is juicy and and joyful and whatever, you know, and that is actually it.

All the other things, um, are always like healing here and I am here and so I still am not healed enough. But forget it. Forget about it. What you're saying is don't focus on the problem, but focus on mm-hmm. On, on the vision you have for your life. Why you want to be around, why you want to enjoy everything, and why you want to be a part here on, on earth.

Um, yeah. And focus on that and not on the, uh, and because what I see also is your people tense up. If they're focusing on the, oh my God, I need to heal. I need to heal. Mm-hmm. They tense up. If they tense up, they're not relaxed. When they're not relaxed, the body can't do the work. Uh, it's just if, yeah, if, if I'm a sportsman and I desperately need to win and I tense up, I will not be my, give my best game now.

Exactly. I need to get, get in with all my, uh, ambition and my fun and my joy and, uh, of course I'm a sportsman. I want to win, but I, but it's not, I know. It's kind of, it kind of, it's funny to say it's not the end of the world because we are talking here about serious diseases, so it might actually be the end of the world.

I know that, right? Mm-hmm. Um, but, uh, I, I need to go in with a relaxed state because otherwise, no matter, the harder I try, the more difficult it becomes for the body. Because it's gonna put, you know, stress out and basically boycott my own healing process. Exactly. So if I can put, put the idea of, oh, I need to be healed aside and focus on the beauty of life and get connected with why I want to be healthy mm-hmm.

And why I want to live, um mm-hmm. Then, you know, I'm making it easy for my body to respond to. Mm-hmm. And to come up with, um, uh, with the solutions that needs, needs to be done. And I'm also reminded here 'cause I'm currently working on something, uh, with, uh, master Chen, uh, you probably know him. He's, uh, teaching the psychology of inner perception.

Yeah. And he talks about, he ask himself the question, how comes. Some people heal with zhineng qigong and others don't. And uh, his, his take on it is unresolved emotions. And, uh, there we are again with one of the other topics you said, if there's other stuff going on in your life that you haven't resolved, it's very difficult to get the healing result with zhineng qigong.

True. Yeah, true. Absolutely. There might be something else that we need to add into the picture and yeah, so it's, it's, it's absolutely worth, uh, going deep into this topic and, um, not just taking. The easy this exercise, and I say a lot, then I'm healed. It's worth, it's, you know, going deeper into it and I'm very grateful, you know, that we have this conversation and we are already, uh, after half, half an hour, so I kind of have to watch the time now, but maybe if you want to add something here, please don't, um, don't hesitate to add something if there's anything that we've missed out.

Yeah, just, um, yeah. Practice can also be kind of a. Can be something you, you you're pushing too hard yourself, uh, with, with having to practice because the teachers often tell you also myself, I, I was often told you have to practice more. You have to practice more, you have to practice more.

So, um, self-discipline and all this is good. But, um, it might also be, um, something that, uh. It's not joyful enough. So you, you need to look for the point of your joy as I, I already said that. You ha you need to look for what is joyful and how can I make practice in joyful for myself. So if, um, if I feel like I have to practice three hours per day in order to heal.

I have to find the a point to get into the practice, which makes me feel like, okay, I want it. Oh, I feel so good. And that is so important for people who, who, um, yeah. Who find, yeah, okay. I, I need to practice. I know it myself. It's important. How can I do that every day? Because it's a hard thing I to overcome my, you know, my, my in, uh, my inhibitions or whatever.

I, I have some inner obstacles against, uh, practicing so hard or whatever. I'm rebellious in a way. My mind is rebellious. I don't want and so on, and how can I make that, do that in a joyful way? Yeah. Find something, find something that softens all the. The obstacles, the inner obstacles, and, and so that you feel like, oh, even maybe it's your favorite, favorite music, or it's a, a beautiful place where you, where you practice, or it's a different, uh, way to start your practice maybe moving freely, not just standing there like a soldier doing my, my, uh, uh, level one and level two exercises, but.

Moving freely, dancing. I found dancing is very, very good for many people. Also for myself, at first I dance and then slowly yeah. I find, okay, now I'm ready to do my exercises. And so joy is so important in order to, yeah, to come closer to everything that's, that's important for yourself. Mm-hmm. Just want to add to that because you started this, uh, very important point with saying, um, that, um, or you gave the impression that practice is not important.

No, it is important. Right? It's not about just, so if I enjoy having a beer and watching the tele television show more than zhineng qigong, you're not encouraging me to do that. What you are encouraging. What you're encountering me is to find a way that I, that I do my exercise joyful. And, and that's absolutely right because, um, um, discipline, if you are forcing it upon you is counterproductive.

Now discipline in a way that, that, uh, this is something you look forward to and you enjoy doing, and it's just, you know, wonderful part of your day. That is when the healing happens. Mm-hmm. So I think its an important point. Point to, uh, point to make. Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Okay. Thank you very much.

Lu, that was again, a wonderful conversation with you. I'm so, uh, I'm so blessed to have you on the show. Thank you so much. And, uh, well, I hope we got, I gonna see you soon, somewhere in the world. And yeah, thank you for your contribution here to this podcast. Thank you Toten, for having me. I really enjoy every time I enjoy talking with you because there are lots of new aspects and you always.

I managed to, to get everything. I, I, well, I tell you in such a clear way, you sort it out, you, you mirror to me and it's, it's really very nice. I feel very enriched by this conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you, Louisa.