Curing the Impossible: The Power of Zhineng Qigong - Benjamin Schiess

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After relying on steroids and antibiotics, it was Zhineng Qigong that offered a path to cure the impossible. In today’s Qigong podcast, Benjamin Schiess shares his remarkable healing story and how he went from battling a chronic illness to recovery. Benjamin was diagnosed with Pemphigus foliaceus, a rare and incurable autoimmune disease.

Rather than resisting his condition or placing faith solely in Western medicine, daily Qigong practice became Benjamin’s turning point, helping him reconnect with Qi and rebuild his mind-body connection. His story is not just one of physical healing but also a shift in perception. He emphasizes the importance of acceptance, inner awareness, and the simple but profound idea of “doing your best” when it comes to practicing Qigong effectively.

Benjamin describes how focusing inward and practicing Qigong consistently helped restore his health—without needing to chase specific outcomes.

With guidance from teachers like Mingtong Gu, Benjamin embraced the subtle art of balancing intention with acceptance, realizing that true healing is less about control and more about allowing energy to move freely. His reflections offer valuable insight for anyone navigating chronic illnesses such as autoimmune diseases.

His story is a testament to Qigong for chronic illness and the resilience it builds.

Join Benjamin as he shares how the power of Zhineng Qigong is helping him cure the impossible. 

Mindful moments:

• Qigong for chronic illness offers a powerful alternative path to healing when conventional medicine reaches its limits.
• Daily Qigong practice became the foundation of Benjamin’s recovery, helping him restore his health and energy naturally.
• Zhineng Qigong empowered Benjamin to overcome an incurable autoimmune disease and regain his quality of life.
• Qigong for mind-body connection helped Benjamin rebuild trust in his body and foster inner awareness throughout his healing.
• Self-healing through Qigong demonstrates how intention, presence, and consistency can activate the body’s natural capacity to heal.
• Qigong for energy flow teaches that true healing comes not from control, but from allowing energy to move freely through the body.
• Qigong for acceptance plays a key role in transforming the emotional resistance that often blocks healing.
• Healing Qigong shifts the focus from fixing symptoms to cultivating presence, balance, and internal strength.
• Qigong and spiritual resilience help navigate uncertainty and chronic illness by grounding healing in self-awareness and trust.
• Qigong teachings from mentors like Mingtong Gu reinforce that healing is a personal journey shaped by practice, not outcomes.

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Transcript

My guest today had been diagnosed with a rare, incurable autoimmune disease that he was told would ultimately lead to death. After 10 years of heavy medication and having tried numerous alternative health methods, Benjamin finally found Zhineng Qigong. From that moment, his recovery took off not only curing the impossible, but also regaining the health.

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Hello everyone and welcome to today's edition of the Wisdom Qigong podcast. Today I have Benjamin Sqiess with me. Uh, Benjamin is an avid Qigong practitioner, and he's going to share his very personal healing journey with us today. Uh, Benjamin. Benjamin, you are from Switzerland, but you're living on the beautiful island of Ibiza.

Uh, so welcome to the show. And maybe you would like to share, you know, what was the diagnosis when everything started? And uh, yeah, where did you move from there? Thank you very much for inviting me and for being here. Uh, I got the diagnosis of, uh, it's called Pemphigus foliaceus. Uh, it is an autoimmune disease was or is an autoimmune disease basically the, Immune system is rejecting the skin from head to toe. That was my diagnosis that I got. And, uh, of course the Western medicine says, we don't know. We don't know what's going on. We, but, but, but we can help you. And that's with steroids and with immune suppressants. That was the, And they were the, my doctors at the time, they were very clear. Listen, uh. I mean, you're lucky because today we have those medicines. 60 years ago you would be dead within two months. Now you are probably within, they said it to the face within 20 years by the side effects of the medicines. That was my starting point.

And that was how many years ago, Benjamin? Uh, 20. But you look pretty much alive to me these days. So something about the diagnosis didn't work out right? No, it did not. Luckily, uh, I had a hard journey of 10 years of, uh, yeah, it was not fun. It was, there was a lot of pain. There was like physical pain, but also like despair.

Um, let's say Western medicine kept me alive. And gave me time to research and, uh. I did not all what they suggested me, which also was always a conflict. They, there was also a moment they kicked me out. They said like, either you do what we tell you or you go out from this, uh, clinic. And they left. Uh, after like five years, I think I, I know enough by myself about how to deal with steroids and they did it by myself, which is in the world.

I was by myself. And I tried everything. I don't know if you can name any alternative healing method that I didn't try. And it was, it was not fun. Nothing really helped. And by the end, I was on a constant dose of steroids and antibiotics that kept me kind of like, I would say, kept me alive, like I was not dead, but I didn't really have a life quality.

And then, uh. Life, uh, brought me to Zhineng Qigong, And how did you get to qinen? Qigong was introduced by a friend, or, yeah. I always knew, like, you know, you need to imagine my, my, my, my surface, my skin is destroyed. And I realized, but I need movement. I, I, my body, I need some kind of movement.

And all the yoga, what I tried, even the, the restorative yoga, whatever, it was just too strong for my system. I had to have a baby life, like too much happiness, too much sadness, too much. Um, impact was, I just couldn't deal with it. So I had kind of the, the, the thing I want to do, Qigong was like out of a dream or out of intuition, but I didn't know anything.

And then I, I had a friend that said, listen, I heard about this Qigong and I heard that miracles can happen there. And, uh, it was in Israel at the time. And, uh, I was like, okay, that's it. I go, so I heard from a friend that didn't really know what he's talking about, and I went to, uh, six days workshop of Zhineng Qigong.

It's actually quite interesting because you said you have tried many other alternative methods before. Yeah. And none of them worked. And my experience is often that if I talk to people that are, you know, not, maybe not in as a dramatic situation than you were, but you know, that have, uh, uh, big health challenges and they usually, they try a couple of alternative things and if none of them helps, they start to Shut down and say. Okay. If that doesn't help, then I'm not gonna try anything else because I'm tired, I'm frustrated. I've tried this method, I've tried that method. Uh, but you seem to have been in a different place there. How comes now after all these, uh, efforts that you made that didn't work, you weren't, um, fed up yet, and you said, okay, let me try it.

And you said you were even dreaming about it, so it resonated with you in one way or another. Do you have any explanation for why that was? Stubborn, maybe? No, I, I, I, I, I don't know. Like there is, of course, there is a will to be healthy. A a, a will or a wish or a, uh, I heard along the way health is our birthright.

Maybe just like I, I, I, I mean the, my diagnose was so harsh and in the same times they were so clueless. From the first moment I heard them, that the dermatologists talking to me, I was like, and I will find out what the heck is going on. I will deal this. That was like a sentence that was alive in me from day number one.

And I think this is a, a, an important point here in our podcast episode because what seems to distinguish you, from, from other people. There are similar situations is you won't take no for an answer. You will just not, you will just not say, okay, I will not accept that Western medicine says, sorry, there's nothing we can do.

Too bad. You know, we're gonna give you some medication. But this will basically, you know, if you don't die from the disease, you're going to die from the medication. And you refuse to accept that as. The way of, yeah, the uni, how the universe works basically. And this is why you continue to search while many others Yeah.

Would just, yeah. They might be trying one or two things and then they kind of resigned to it and say, well, where's the medication? Says me. This is the end. So it's the end. But you basically said, no, it isn't. And I want to find out what's going on here. Am I, am I giving that, uh, uh, you know, uh, cross correctly here?

Or am I making this up? Now you're not making it up, but you touch a very crucial point you used a few times. Now the word accept and I am not accepting this and therefore me lies a big, big treasure of the whole thing. And the big struggle within my first years, uh, fir first 10 years with tears, um, of dealing with it because I.

I realized if I'm fighting where I am, I already lost because it is what it is. And if I, let's say another word, give up, if I give in it, most probably won't change. And in that workshop, in that, that I went, uh, the teacher was, uh, his name is Mingtong Gu the first hour. He spoke about acceptance and how important it is that how to accept.

You are sick, you are, you live on the restrictions. And if you fight that fact, that isness you lost already. Yes. And at the same time. You have a choice, like you can, whatever, wherever you are, you can give it, I call it today, like you can give it a direction, you can add to it a vision or a dream or however you want to call it.

It's, it's like it's a is ness with at least you decide in which direction you look. Do I look versus uh. Deaf or do I look versus the ground and I like, I'm, I close myself from all the options around. Or do I look, ah, one day I want to be, go back to my birthright. And that's what I did. But it's a very fine line not to be stubborn, to be flexible, not to be lazy, not to, it's really a dance.

And that's actually my first, like when MGU at the time was talking like this, I was like, yes, that's what I mean. And nobody could frame it for me. And I was not really able to frame it for myself, but I was like, yes.

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So basically, let me see whether I get this right this time. Yeah. The acceptance is to say this is the way things are.

I accept, you know, there's something going on in my body currently that is, you know, obviously not what I want, but I'm not gonna fight that. But I will not accept that there's nothing I can do about it. So you accept the situation, you say yes. Yeah, this is the way it is. So you don't lose your energy in, uh, in fighting something which is the reality at that very moment.

But you don't accept the, the, the, uh, the, the thought that there's nothing you can do about it. I would replace, I can always do my best, right? Right. And what is my best is a big art to find out, because sometimes it the best is to rest. Sometimes the best is to listen and learn. Sometimes the best is to do an effort and do that exercise again, even if I'm tired.

Um, yeah, do your best and then existence will take care of the rest. Right, and I'll even go one step further here. When you say do your best and are, you're not necessarily invested in the outcome, so you're not Um, uh, because we, we know that, I mean, some people do zhineng qigong and it works perfectly, and they get healed and others do their best and it just doesn't work out.

Right. So, but the moment you start to resist whatever the result is that you're creating, then you are already losing your energy in the wrong direction rather than using in the, in the right direction, which is your intention of becoming healthy. I agree with you, I, I, I frame it a little bit different, do my best.

Includes not to get fixated on targets. Right, like to be flexible is part of doing the best. Like if I practice in order to aqieve a goal, I have my doubts. I think the aim of practicing is having a good practice. Or a, a present practice and sometimes practice feels amazing and sometimes it's boring and sometimes it's difficult, and sometimes you feel like you didn't do anything.

It doesn't. It's all just to be witnessed. The, the, there is no good practice if there would be a bad practice. And, and it's just like re like practice, really practice your curiosity about yourself. Practice to be, be, be very on your focus, be practice on being precise. And, and what happens then is, is like, that's, that's another, that's another chapter.

And I say this and I know how difficult it is if you're really suffering and you want to get out of it. So it's very, my, my words are very like, you know, smart. But I think the, the, the, the key is really in just to be present and not to get trapped between where I want to be and where I am. It's somewhere in the middle.

I. it's a great thought, Benjamin, and I think, um, if I might, you know, bring my perspective in here again, and I love that we are playing, you know, with each other here and you keep correcting me or adding something, um, that now what I, what I feel like is you have an underlying, uh, intention for life.

An intention for being healthy. So this is the underlying intention, this is the overall direction. But then when you do your practice, you are not invested in the outcome. You don't say, okay, after the practice, if I feel better, yay. Great success. If I don't feel better, oh my God, I failed. So you, so the, during the practice, all you do is you practice, and because you do that.

Now you're basically putting, you, you're not using your mind to block any energy flow. Uh, because our mind isn't more intelligent than our body. Our body actually knows what needs to be done in order to become healthy. Right? So you, so you don't want your mind to be in the way. So when you practice, you practice and you trust the qi now to do the work that it needs to do, whatever that might be at that moment.

And we all know that the key reaction, so it might well be that after, after an exercise sometimes. Yeah. You feel like, oh my God, it's getting worse. But really what's happening is, is that the qi is there repairing whatever needs to repair, and that might be a little more painful than before, but you trust that the qi does what it needs to do in order to aqieve and support your overall intention of becoming a healthy human being.

Now, that's what it sounds to me when I listen to you, right? So, uh, so the distinction is. Yes, you have an intention. So, so I don't want people to think, uh, it doesn't matter. No, you have an intention you want, that was very clear because otherwise you wouldn't do all this work, right? It was very clear. You want to become healthy.

You're not buying into this diagnosis that it's going to kill you. Uh, that there is nothing you can do. You wanna be healthy, okay? And then you find a tool like zhineng qigong and you use it, but while you do it, you're doing nothing but the exercise. Uh, okay, good. But, but please feel free to correct me. No, no, it, it, it, no, there's nothing to, to, correct.

Yeah. It is like this, like in the, in the beginning, like, I, I have to say very honestly, I, I went into this workshop with a good dose of steroids and antibiotics, and after maybe three weeks. Afterwards where when I continued to practice by myself, I could drop the antibiotics. I just didn't need them anymore.

Also, part of my disease was like every three to four months, I have like a, an attack, a strong one where I need to increase all the medicines. I had no attack anymore. So I had very fast, very clear, very strong signs that something good is happening to me. So when I say, you know, you just practice and you, you know, you don't think about the result.

It is true. And I have to say, in my case, I got, I got it easy to, to, to do that because I had very fast, very clear signs, and in the beginning it was like I had a. I made myself a set of, uh, I had, I did like, you know, maybe long ago I had a section out of level one, a section out of level two, and even a section out of level three that I did every day, regardless of what's happening.

I was also there very. You can stay devoted, you can stay stubborn, whatever you wanna label it. I just did it. And it can mean that I came home at one 30 in the night tired, and I didn't go to sleep before I did this. It was like an hour, an hour 15. I did it every day. And this also made me experience a few things like.

You know, like we, we, the focus and the imagination and, and you know, like the good intention and sometimes I was just too tired to think anything. I was just tired regardless of that. I did the exercise and I had amazing qi experiences, so it made all very It's not, you know, do your best is really wide.

It, it, it can be sometimes the best is just do and you are tired. Sometimes the best is you just visualize everything. just do, it says the very famous. So let's, let's, uh, look at the, at the path that you took. So you went to the workshop, you learned a few Zhineng Qigong exercises. Uh, did you already experience something during the workshop where you felt, okay, there's something about Qigong that seems to be working for me?

Yeah, the, the, the gift of acceptance. The absence of conflict. Okay. The absence of what should, could and why. And, you know, all the storytelling, it just stopped. and you had your own, you created your own routine basically. You said, okay, these elements of level one and these of level two, and even of level three, I put them together.

That resonates with me. That is what I feel is the best for me. And then you had a, a strict training routine where you said, I'm gonna practice every day and hour and hour. 15. And then what happened? What did you notice? Because you said you had some, you know. Quite dramatic results, uh, relatively soon.

Yes. So as I said, I had these attacks every three to four months, and it was four months, no attack, five months, no attack, six months, no attack. I think there's no attack. You know, every day was like, I was like, because. These attacks were not fun and I, I, I knew I need to eat poisons to calm them down. So I was like on alert in a way.

So that was no attacks for three or four weeks, no antibiotics anymore. That's big impact. And then with the steroids, after playing around with steroids for 10, 11 years, you know your body is addicted to it and it relies on it that you take it artificially. So you need to. Sneak it out, and you don't wanna wake up that monster that inside of you.

So very, very gradually and slowly, like over, slowly, I faded out the steroids and it just, my, my body state got just better and better. But to understand when I say better and better, you need to understand how weak I was, you know, like just saying. Late night till three o'clock. I had a physical reaction on my skin two days later.

And so there was a lot to recuperate in my body functions. And this was a process over, I would say, three or four years. Hmm. That, that, that took place because then maybe after one year I was completely medicine free, like allopathic medicine. And, but I was not back to normal. I still was like, you know, son and whatever I was, I was heavy sick for 10 years.

Mm-hmm. So I kept on practicing less because also something else happened. I started to meet other teachers in Europe and they showed me all the practices and then I started to play more around and became more confident in, in, in some areas. And also because I was kind of out of the worst. The, the confidence came and, uh, my, my reflex to play with things, and so I, I became more flexible.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. In, in also in the routine. And during that time, did you, I suppose you continue to see the doctors?

I didn't go to see a doctor a long time before I met Qigong because. I mean, that was one side effect, you know, to see doctors and you see they are scared of you because they don't have, every doctor in the end wants to fix you. And, and I saw so many faces like, shit, I can't fix him. Hmm. So it was not so uplifting for me to go to doctors and, and also only limited, helpful.

So. I went to see a doctor after maybe six year or five years of, uh, starting with Zhineng Qigong . And that was a very funny moment because I had something that needed to be fixed, like a wound. And of course he asked me, you know, what's your condition? I said, yeah, I have this and this skin, this disease. And there's, then he asked, okay, and what do you take?

I said, no, I'm not taking anything. No, no. He said, what do you take, you know, on a regular basis? He said, no, I'm not taking anything. And then, yeah. But you said you have this diagnosis. I said yeah. So listen. Either you have this diagnose and you take something or you, you know what? I said No. And then he was like, don't lie to me.

And I said, I'm not lying. Go. And it was by coincidence, it was in the same hospital that was made my first diagnose long time ago. I said, go to go to go to look at my file. And it took him 10 minutes and he came back and he was like, I don't understand. That's not possible. Well, I said, well, that's not possible sitting in front of you, quite comfortable.

Um, so I am for the, for a dermatologist. I, I am like, that's not possible. Yes. And, and your organs, because you said, you know, there's obviously been a lot of damage due to the medication that you had to take and the, the, the body did recover. I mean, I can see you now sitting in front of me. You look like a wonderful, attractive, healthy, uh, young man.

Uh, so for all the listeners that don't look, watch this video on YouTube, he really is. Uh, so, uh, what do you, do you have any idea on, you know, whether your organs have recovered fully or what is the state there? I did all these blood tests and you know, like the normal test, and there you, you don't see anything.

You don't, well, congratulations. Well, yeah. And, you know, we all, we also need luck. But in all of this, I, I, I'm far from knowing. Or giving advices, or if you have this, do this and this. I just say, do your best And at the moment, I am much better than 20 years ago, and I think I know why.

And in the end, life for me is a gift. Every day is a gift and I, I, I, I really feel I have every day a moment where like, wow, this is just amazing. Hmm. It doesn't, because it's a gift. I still can do my best. You know, it's not a contradiction because it's a gift. I, I, I can be lazy. No, you know, please do it.

It's, it is interesting that you say this. I mean, you've repeated this a couple of times, like, uh, doing your best. Mm-hmm. Uh, because I was, uh, listening to, um, a, a podcast of a very successful entrepreneur. I think he's Indian by nature, by nationality, and he said something like, I'm never stressed. I. He says, do you know why I'm never stressed?

Because I'm always doing my best. I'm always doing my best. Then, you know, I, there's no point stressing about anything because I can't do any better. And uh, yeah, you come across as a very happy and relaxed man. And I think this is, could be the reason, because if you go through life, uh, always showing up as the best person that, that you can be and doing your best thing, I mean, there's nothing.

Nothing else you can do really. And then the results will be the results. And sometimes we have great results and sometimes results suck. Uh, but, you know, there's nothing else we can do. So giving your best and doing your best, but from a, from a point of Hey, that's just who I am rather than I need to be my, the best version of myself or something crazy like that.

Uh, which puts pressure on you. Uh, because that is the, that is the risk there. That's not what we, what we're talking about here. No. Um, so it's just, it's so much more fun. Yeah. If you, if you play tennis. It's so much more fun to give your best in the, in the match. And even if you lose, you can be happy because you had such a great match.

You did what you could do and you can congratulate your opponent. Uh, but you gave it your best so you had a fun match. Right? And that's, that's basically how you're suggesting it to go through life. And this is probably what supported your recovery. So, uh, incredibly. Yeah. And even in the face of death, you just do your best.

And if it's your time, it's your time. And if it's not your time, it's not your time. Because that, that's also like one, I mean, one aspect of, you know, people do Zhineng Qigong and they say now and still they die. Yes, we all gonna die. It's just how we design our time till then. Mm-hmm. Or if we ignore it or it make, it brings me also a lot of, uh, gratitude for, for every day, right.

Now you, you said that it is, that you're not here to give people, you know, exact advice because every person is different and, uh, everyone has their own lives and their own challenges. Uh, at the same time, you know, there were some key insights along the way, and the first one was the inside of acceptance.

Yeah. Right. And I personally would say without that, it's any healing process is going to be difficult or you might be successful for time and then, you know, the disease might come back. So, uh, I think this is an incredible insight. So if there was anything else that you feel like this was key to my healing or to your healing, uh, please, you know, just point it out.

Again, I know we've probably touched upon it during the podcast, but I just wanna make sure everybody gets the main messages here. Um, acceptance. Do your best or you also do your best in versus doing the right thing. Doing is doing the right thing is always like, okay, do the exercise the correct way, but actually I'm super tense.

Not to do a mistake, but no, just do your best and it's perfect. Uh, that then something about, um, persistence or, or like. To just keep on doing it anyway, even at two o'clock in the night. Um, something about the creative power of the mind. You know, we all have our monkey minds and we are worried. I'm worried I'm, you know, like mostly in the outside.

And what this method gave me is really to take the focus in and to examine my shoulders. My heart, my digestive system really to stay, to give this mind that we have that has so many unnecessary thoughts per day to give it a purpose and stay with digestion. Stay with the heart, stay with breathings. How are your it?

It really improves and is the base of my future decisions of how I continue with my day. I. You know, and if, if I know how hungry I am and what really does feed me well, my choices of food become naturally much better. Mm-hmm. So it, it improves my state of being and it avoids many stupid thoughts. Hmm.

Just make your mind busy with. With this. And that was like a tremendous learning at the moment in the, in the beginning also because I was in a lot of pain and in a lot of despair with my situation. To just close my eyes, stand and feel inside for more than 30 seconds was very, very stressful because like, you know, like, um, so.

Direct the creative power of the mind focus on your body. I, that's also key. Um, and then something about the, you know, what we think is good and good and bad, or like this thing of if I practice, you know, practicing or doing Qigong is not trading, I give you. 10 Euro. You give me one bottle of wine. It's not working like this.

It, it, it's you, you practice because practice does something good, maybe because you just don't think funny things and you only focus on your body or you focus on the universe and you went back and forth. And that by itself is a gift. Don't come with the, with the, with the check bill. iPad, thank you. Like, uh, so like let go of a few, um, conditions or, uh, a a good life is a healthy life.

Maybe, maybe not, you know, like all these, these concepts that we have scratch on them.

All right. Uh, thank you very much for that, uh, Benjamin, for sharing all that with us. I have to ask you, are you also Zhineng Qigong ? Yeah. I'm very shy about that. But you are teaqing. I, I, I slowly open up for people. If people want to come and practice with me, I'm open to it and I'm okay. Organized now myself a, a room.

So if, and then, let's see, because, you know, in, in, for our Western Mind that, you know, like I, and for many people, you know, like, now I want to do Pilates, and then I want to do this, and then there's always this moment of like aqieving something, having a resort. And what we do is so off that, that I, my fear is that I will bore so many people and in the same time, because I know what kind of a gift it can be, I don't wanna miss them the opportunity to, to, to meet this gift.

So I've, I've got some, I've got some advice there for you, Benjamin. Okay. Just give, just give your best.

Take it. Thank you. Right. There we go. So thank you. Thank you very much Benjamin, for sharing all these insights with us.

Uh, first of all, I'm uh, very happy that you've chosen this journey and, uh, I think the world is a better place because you are around and you are healthy and you are shining and you are sharing. And, uh, quite frankly, I think, you know, sharing this with people is saving lives here and is. Bringing people back to health that might learn some ideas from you.

Just like you learned the first very important idea through Mingtong Gu, uh, where it suddenly clicked and you thought, okay, this is missing. This is what I need. And I hope that our conversation here might have brought this aha moment to one or two or three people, uh, somewhere out there. Uh, so I want to thank you very much for taking the time to talk to me here today.

Uh, I loved, uh, this podcast a lot and I hope to you see you one day somewhere around the world. And maybe practice together. Amen. Thank you very much for, for, for giving me this opportunity and share my, my little story.

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