The Art of Healing With Love - Heather Bourne

In Zhineng Qigong we are encouraged to live with an open heart and open mind & in today's Qigong podcast - Hunyuan Qi Therapist and Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner, Heather Bourne discusses the art of healing with love.

Heather believes that healing is connected to love - in Hunyuan Qi Therapy and Qigong we are to connect heart and mind, because once separation occurs we sometimes fall ill or fall victim to stressors, because we forget we are one. When we are aligned with our heart, mind and body, we create wholeness - a sense of peace, compassion, kindness and love for yourself that you can reflect to the world and share with others.

In Qigong, love isn't just a feeling or sentiment as it's portrayed in most of society (often quite a selfish thing) as Heather explains. It's a reflection of our inner being or our true self. When you have an open heart and love through the basis of Qigong it becomes a mirror, so if you love a person it reflects a certain quality within you helping you to love yourself.

When connecting with the Qi field, Heather found that it's an opportunity to be present with an open mind, another key principle of the Qi Gong practice. When we have an open mind in Zhineng Qigong, we are often at a place of objectivity, we place ourselves in the shoes of others and realise that there's no judgement for others' lived experience. We see others as ourselves, we become one and begin to see things from their perspective leading to a more compassionate relationship with one another, led by love -  and then as Heather describes it, miracles and healing can occur.

Qigong and love together create a holistic approach to healing that emphasizes unity and harmony. By practicing Qigong with love, we not only heal ourselves but also contribute to a broader sense of oneness and compassion.

Mindful moments:

• Love in Qigong transcends personal feelings, representing unconditional acceptance and universal connection.
• Zhineng Qigong creates a healing state of oneness, dissolving boundaries between practitioner and patient.
• Self-love emerges naturally by seeing oneself reflected in others, not through self-focused efforts.
• Qi field requires an open, present mindset, combining Traditional Chinese Medicine with loving awareness.
• Qigong self-love technique: Treat yourself with the same unconditional love you'd offer a young child.
• Heather's upcoming project "The Art of Healing with Love" will explore Hunyuan Qi therapy, cacao ceremonies, and love's transformative nature.

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Transcript

In  Zhineng  qi gong we are all encouraged to connect from heart to heart and mind to mind.  But what does it really mean?  According to Heather Bourne, the essence of Hunyuan Qi Therapy is love. So when you can see the other person as you, there is no longer separation. Your judgment disappears. And when you open yourself to this, miracles happen. 

Let's hear what she has to say.  My name is Torsten Lueddecke and this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast. 


Heather, you are a TCM doctor, is that correct?

Yeah. So TCM Practitioner. Yeah. Mm-hmm

and you're based in Basel, Switzerland, and you're also a Hunyuan Qi therapist.

And you discovered something very exciting and which you shared with me that you said the essence of Hunyuan Qi therapy, from your perspective. is actually love and healing with love. And it goes so far that you're working on your new website, which is going to be called something like, the art of healing with love.

And I thought this is going to be a perfect topic for us to talk about. So please give us a little bit of background. What makes you think that the essence of healing is love?

okay. So, so maybe I give a, a little bit of a background to where this idea came from. So, from a young age, I was always, having these. These visions of how, how can, how can the world be a better place. And it was always like I had this vision like of a tsunami of like a wave covering the earth and the universe with love.

You know, it was like this tsunami of love would would solve all the problems, you know, would solve the wars, would solve the hunger, would solve the pain of the world. It's kind of a vision I had and, yeah, and it stayed like that. It stayed in the background and, and then I did my studies and, had a very, scientific education, scientific background where, spirituality and science didn't mix at the time.

So it was difficult for me to, combine these. these concepts because spirituality was already very present in my, in my mind, but because of my scientific background, it was difficult to, to talk about it or to, to even, yeah, mention it to my, to, to people I was working with or, interacting with. And then I made my own path in a way.

So I, I. Explored various spiritual, spiritual paths and, including, shamanism, meditations, different kinds of, different kinds of meditation and, reconnected with this vision actually of, of what is, the essence of life. What is the essence of our interactions of what we do as human beings? And I, I came to the realization that love, is the essence of what we do and what we share.

And, it's also, The way we heal, for me, love. So it's difficult also to talk about love because love is a very broad, word it's used in so many different contexts. And, I love cheese and I love you and it's the same thing, the same word, but, love as I. talk about it when I talk about healing with love is, really comes down to the essence of, what we are and it comes to the essence of oneness.

and I think healing, healing also means becoming one. And so you, you cannot heal without love. Love is the force that brings us together. Love is the force that makes us one. And, love is the force that creates. co creates. So, from that point of view, I think both are very intertwined, the healing and the love.

And so that's where it all stems from.

I think I get, yeah, I get some of the idea. for example, you know, I cannot heal. I think love is a, is a, is a precondition if I want to support someone, otherwise it's just some technologies that I do. But if I'm coming from a loving point, then, you know, obviously my focus, my intention, my energy is with that person that I'm, that I'm working with that I would like to heal as a practitioner or as a doctor or as a therapist.

so, I think that. Alone makes a lot of sense, but I think you take this a step further by saying that the act that the act of loving is the healing process, right? right. So how, how would that show up in your practice?

first of all, it's a, it's a state of mind. It's a state of being it's, When you can connect, we talk in Zhineng Qigong and in Hunyuan Qi Therapy , connecting heart to heart and mind to mind, we become one. So that's the, let's say the words, the concept. And, physically for me, it really feels like my heart opens up and I, I can, encompass.

this, this, being this person, or this group of people, as me, I am this person. I am one with this person. So, and that brings in a lot of, when you, when you can see the other person as a part of you, not even a part of you as you, because part of you also implies it's still a separation. When you can see this person or this group of people as you.

there's no longer any separation, the healing is done, because, separation is what, what makes us ill, because we've forgotten that we are one, we've forgotten that we are, the same. And, and so it, it brings in when you, when you do that step of opening your heart and physically, feeling the, the, let's call it the, the qi field being.

Connected to each other and becoming this one qi field everything disappears, everything, every separation idea disappears. And you become very compassionate. This, this, this idea of, compassion, you know, it's no longer. this person and they're ill and, and your preconceptions disappear, your, your judgment that you may have, or your, even your ideas of why, why are you ill?

What have you done? What are you not doing? Right? All this disappears. And you're just in this state of oneness and, and when you can, open yourself to this. I think miracles happen really miracles happen, not only for the person you're with, but for yourself and because you're one of course. so yeah, so, so in concrete terms for me, it's, it's going into the healing space or the practice with this mindset.

A heart open, heart connected, and then when, when the person is in there, it's, okay, we are one. It's not your problem. It's our illness, our problem that we are together. We are healing. And I never see, you know, it, it makes the, the, the patient practitioner relationship very, very eye to eye. You know, it's not, we're both part of the journey.

We're both part of this healing process as I help heal you, you help heal me. And, and, this is the beauty, really the beauty of this work. I think this is a very advanced state of being you have achieved, I don't think many people can.

say that they are at this place, because we've all know that, in Qigong, open heart, open mind is, a necessity in order to get anywhere and to work with people. But so often it's just words and we forget what it really means.

And, you know, when I look at myself and to talk about that, we, that we. If we really practice that, that we no longer have these thoughts of, no wonder he's ill because he's doing this and this wrong. Or yeah, if he only did that or understood that, then he would be better. So this is, this is automatically coming in as a judgment for me at least. And and what you're suggesting here is it's not about the other person because there is no such thing as another person. It is me. Right? This is oneness. And, and so there is no point being judgmental here or even having these thoughts come up. and, you know, from a logical, mind, it makes total sense because I can only have influence of, I can't influence something external.

Now, if there's a rock somewhere in the mountain, you know, and I'm standing 1, 000 kilometers away. How am I going to lift that rock? But if it's the same, if I am that rock, then obviously I've got power over it. And if I am that other person, then obviously I can heal that other person, compared to if it was something separate entity from me.

so I think it makes total sense, what you're suggesting here. And, But as I said, most people aren't quite there, which is probably the reason why your tsunami idea of love isn't already in place in this world. That's why it's so, so great to talk to you about that.

And I think what helps me, and it's an exercise, and it's a challenge, it's a challenge exercise, when someone triggers me, okay, if I hear in the news or if I hear someone doing something that I find obviously with my judgment mind unfair, not correct, not right, the exercise is to put yourself in the shoes of that person, say this is someone who has born, has been born, had parents, had an education or not.

And it could be you, it could be you being born in that country, in that place with those parents, with those conditions, how would you have evolved? How would you have evolved with the, you know, if, if there had been a war in your, in your country, you saw horrible things happening, who, how would you be shaped?

Which kind of person would you become? And so that really helps me to, to become more compassionate to really when just, just make that extra effort to, to step back from the judgment and say, okay, this could be me. This could be me. And this person has parents, maybe has kids, has a family, has, we are just human beings on this planet

Hmm.

going on the same journey.

So yeah, let's try and be more, more compassionate to each other. Understand that everyone comes from somewhere, has a history, has a reason for being the way they are. And, and we never know what you, the person you encounter on the street, you know, you might, you might have some, some prejudices or, or instinctive reaction about how they act or what they do.

But, it's important to always catch yourself when you have these moments and

Right.

out of this judgment and say, okay, you don't know half of their story. So, so who am I to judge?

Yes.

Yeah.

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No, it's a good, it's a good point. I mean, most of us run around the world thinking that everybody else is kind of an idiot, because they don't act and the way that we would act. and we constantly compare that and by putting, trying to put ourselves into their shoes, trying to understand or try to imagine.

That their life was very different than ours, which is the reason why they act in a different way. and then, also knowing that they might just think the same thing about us. They might just think how we act. And,

Mm,

it doesn't make sense and isn't the brightest way of doing things. so, it goes, it goes both ways, I suppose.

Right.

mm-hmm . Yeah.

Now I'd like to, but I'd like to attach a little bit though on the, on the topic of love, because, you said earlier that we use the word in very, in, in various ways, you said I love, I love cheese and I love you as a person, and I think there's a, there's a big misunderstanding about love as a way of being, because, very often we, we mistaken, love for something which is actually quite selfish.

It's about how someone or something makes us feel. So for example, if you say, say, I like cheese. Yeah. I love cheese. I think let's just go to fish. I love fish. You're not saying you really love the fish, because if you love the fish, you wouldn't have taken him out of the water in the first place. Right.

And fried him. Of write it, what you're really saying is I love the way the fish makes me feel when I eat it. And often we, we use the word love in the same way with other people. So, you know, for many of us, when we say we love our partner or we love someone, we don't really love that person. It's, if you're honest, it's about how he or she makes us feel.

That is what we love. Because if we really love that person, yeah, we would. free. We would want them to flourish, not so much in the, in the attached way that we usually practice love. because for us, it's often, I want that person in my life. So it's about us. Rather than, you know, I want this person to flourish and do whatever he or she does.

Then we would be totally happy if he or she walks off the relationship and does what he or she wants to do because that's his or her life, right? but, so it's important to understand what the concept of love really means. And, so love is not directed towards one particular person. Love really is a way of being.

Yeah.

And, yeah, and that is that way of being that I then, you know, implement in my, in my healing practice, that I, that I, that I connect with when I do whatever I do in my practice, to support a person on their journey to health and wellbeing. So I just wanted to make this clear and I'd like to get your point on that, so that I know we are talking about the same thing here.

absolutely. Absolutely. I think, like you say, there's a, there is a very, selfish understanding of love in our society obviously, emphasize. By the media and the films and the songs and, and, it's interesting what you say. It's so, so, so when you, when you think you love a person, you love them for the way they make you feel right.

but when you also understand that that person mirrors. a quality that is actually inside you, you understand also that you don't love them, but they help you love yourself. So, so each person that you, you are very fond of, you are fond of because it resonates with something in you, which you love, but it's easier.

It's easier to, to project on someone else. the same way it's easy to project the, the, the, the bad things on someone else. This person is like this. I don't like that. It's the same. This person is so wonderful. I love that person. But actually what it is, is that you love that quality that you already have inside of you.

And so love is this, energy that reconnects you to yourself. It's, becoming one. So love is the force that brings us together, that makes us one with another person, but it's also the force that makes you one with yourself. And that's the most important basis for, for healing and, understanding that, understanding that this, this connection with another is actually helping you connect to yourself is beautiful.

And this, oneness with yourself is also something we strive for when, when we heal, you know, I, I love every cell of my body. I am one with every cell of my body. And that's also this, in this Hunyuan Qi therapy and the, the Zhineng Qigong, we. You know, when you, you, you go from the inside and you expand and integrate with every cell of your body, this is loving yourself.

It's loving every cell of your, of your being. And that's when you heal as well. the love concept is definitely other than what we is, is. Displayed in our society, but it's, it's the start, you know, it's the start of some of a bigger journey, I would say.

And I think you're touching on another very important point here, because this, this is the other misconception that I see at least, the idea of self love, because a lot of people running around, you know. Posting stuff about how they need to love themselves more, but I don't think it works that way.

It's not by, you know, focusing on me and saying now, you know, I've given so much, I've given so much love to others. Which is impossible because, you know, love is a way of, it's a way of being. You can't give away your love. it's just who you are and, and, how you go through life. And then they say now I need to focus on myself and love myself.

And it's not working. So, not surprisingly, it's not working. And what you're suggesting is, it's quite different. It's because it's, it's by giving you a love freely or by, by loving freely, by being love, as you said, you, you, it comes back, it's mirrors your qualities. And through that way, how you start to love yourself, not by excluding others, not by focusing on yourself.

It's a natural result by going through life, being a loving woman. Right. And, that will automatically mean because of oneness, because you see qualities in others that you have in yourself, that you start to appreciate yourself more and that you start to value yourself more and treat yourself in a different way.

so that's another misconception that I thought I'll just, yeah, bring up here because I see it so often, that people think, self love means focusing on me. No, it doesn't. it is a, it's, it's the outcome. It's actually the opposite, right? But it is only the opposite if it's not a needy love that I'm giving.

So if my love is always conditional, like I'm loving you so much though, what am I getting back? That's not love,

hmm. Absolutely.

okay. I hope I'm not getting too much off track here now with my, with my thoughts. but, yeah, but for me, it's an, it's an important aspect of how I go through life.

Yeah. And when we talk a lot about, unconditional love and, I mean, for me, love is unconditional. There's no conditional or unconditional love. We love it's unconditional. There's no, there's no, there's no boundaries to it. There's no conditions. There's no pre requirements to it. It's just, the essence.

It's actually a good way to see where is my love coming from or love. If it is in any way conditional, it's not love. So let's just get this out of the way, right? So if I think I'm loving, but it is conditional, okay, then let me be honest. It's not love. It's something else,

Mm-hmm . Mm-hmm

a selfish need or desire that I have, but it's not love.

And, and, and I would not be too harsh on yourself because we are all in this. I, I assume, a lot of us are in this situation that we, we think we love someone and when they do something, we are upset. but that's also, a point. It's, When you have that feeling that, you love someone, but as soon as they change, you might not love them.

This, this is really an invitation for you to work on yourself then and to see, okay, the grain of love is there. Because that's the essence. It cannot not be there. But, what is it in my personality, in my, what is my ego trying to tell me? You know, what is it, triggering in me? And try and work on that, you know, saying, okay, I feel this dependence.

I feel that if that person changes, then, Ooh, I feel uncomfortable. Then it's an invitation to, to work on yourself and love yourself for being the way you are and, and then moving forward with, with that, you know, where we're human beings, the end of the day.

And, I'm glad you, you make, you make that point because I didn't want to be harsh here. if we notice these things about ourself, as you said, it's an invitation and there is a grain somewhere and I just need to find out and discover more about myself, you know, to move and get to the next level.

So I think that's an important, distinction that you made here, adding to my thought here. Thank you very much. Heather. Yeah. And now. We spoke a lot about love here, but I know that as a TCM practitioner and as a Hunyuan Qi therapist, you obviously have techniques that you're using. So you're not saying I replace these techniques, but what you are suggesting is that you, you're using these techniques coming from this loving point.

Is that correct?

Yeah. Correct. So, so my practice, you know, my, the place I work, I always set up the Qi field before I receive the patients. And, it's, in the way, yeah, in the way of preparing, it's the mindset, it's the way you approach things. And, of course, you know, a person who comes, I don't say I'm going to treat you with love,

Yeah.

although, although it is, in me and it's what I give out, but, there will be needles, there will be massage.

There will be other conversations also during the treatment that, that all contribute to, to the healing. So it's, it's more, preparation for me in my mind in my practice and, and then it just flows. Yeah.

obvious that the other person picks up that you're coming with a good intention that you have his or her interest at heart, which makes your patient far more perceptive to your treatment than if that connection wasn't there. So I think we all have this experience that if we have a doctor or some other health practitioner and we, we, we know he likes us and he wants the best for us.

We obviously, you know, I'm more receptive to his or her advice and, to the healing practice that, that they do with us. yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. so when you spoke about the website that you are launching, do you have other ideas of how you would like to present this idea to the general public now to get your tsunami going eventually?

Oh, it's, so yeah, so the, the website would be the, the art of healing with love. And I had a few ideas of. What could go in there. So Hunyuan Qi therapy is definitely going in there. I also, organize cacao ceremonies. I don't know if you, you've heard of them. So the, kind of gatherings of people using cacao as a, as a medicine plant to, to open the heart.

So to help people connect with the heart and with the love energy. So I think this will be a part of it as well. and, I think that's all my ideas for now. I would love to share more texts and thoughts on, on, on what love is a bit like what we've just discussed. So there will be parts, you know, parts of that as inspiration.

and I propose also some meditations. Based on, on that, so this is, it's the start as, as I say, it's not yet online. It's on the construction and I need to get my, my ideas, straight and, and see, what else could come in there. But this is the essence of what it will be.

I don't know much about the cacao Therapy, but it sounds lovely because everybody loves chocolate So I can't you can't go wrong with that, but I know a little bit about Hunyuan Qi therapy obviously, so i'm curious to see because I know you guys are doing a lot of work in, in the educational program, and are learning a lot of, theory also behind the Hunyuan Qi therapy to understand it properly.

You're learning all the techniques. so I'd like to hear a little bit more about, you know, where you, where you see this, this love, aspect in the Hunyuan Qi therapy, because some of our listeners here might be familiar with what it means.

so in the, the program, the life changer program, we, we learned, as you say, techniques to, to provide treatment, which include, connecting, using of your course, your, your consciousness with the qi and, the qi field to, provide relief and treatment for, for people and for ailments.

and it's a therapy that you can do by yourself as a union chief therapist, or you can do it as a group, which is what we've done in the various retreats, in Austria, for example, where we are groups of three therapists giving treatment, intensive treatments to, to patients or clients with, with.

All kinds of, different problems and, and the results are amazing, really. I mean, I guess you, you know, and you've seen the results, right. But, it's really. amazing. There's no other word.

Right.

and for me, I'd like, I'd really love to explore that further. there is this, so I do it already on my own, but I'd like to explore the group, effect.

So being more than more than one therapist working at least two, three or four working at the same time, with the same intention. on one person. I think you can achieve amazing results. And I'd like to also, explore that idea that we could be a group group of, when you and she therapists working together.

and again, the, I mean, this all goes under the, the love idea, you know, we are one, so we connect with each other as therapists, we connect with the patient, and this can be done online, you know, it can be done distance, doesn't have to be presence in, in presence with the patient. yeah, so I'd love to.

I'd love to go down that, that avenue as well and, and make that more accessible to people and, and explore ways of working with more therapists together. And, yeah, that would be, that would be amazing.

Okay. Thank you. That sounds great to me. and we know that from the medicine -less hospital there. One of the reasons why it works so well because it was because the qi it was so amazing because of so many people practicing together and building qi But as you said, you know, these days we have a technology, at our disposal, there was no such thing as the internet or zoom, in those days.

So we can actually benefit from it. Even if we are isolated at our home, we can still use the power of the qi field because in oneness in distance is not an issue. And, using this working together is just as powerful as if we were personal, personal in person. Now, before I let you go, is there any other thought that we didn't touch on when it comes to love and healing that you would like to share with us? 

the topic of self love we've, we've touched on and, I think the importance of that has to be underlined that, everything starts with you, learning to love yourself, learning to, to accept every part of you is, is a huge, is a huge, challenge for, for many. And, when.

And once we make steps towards that, I think we, we find, we find strength. We find our self healing abilities. We find our wisdom within us. And, I think that's super important for our society that we all, each of us find, because we have everything inside of us. We have the wisdom and we, for me, it's important, Not to depend on an external, force or authority or anything to make my decisions to make my, my progress.

And so maybe, the invitation here is to, explore that love for yourself and, really accept every, every part of you love it, nurture it and, and. Dig deep to find all the answers inside of you and the wisdom that you hold because, it's really a treasure and, and a source of, empowerment.

how would you go about that? Because, you know, that's, that's one of the interesting things. It's, you cannot force yourself to love yourself, right? You cannot force yourself to accept things. It has to come from somewhere. And, and that is the reason why I think many people struggle with it. 

there's a reaction that I don't like in myself or this part of me that I don't accept. Maybe it helps because I am a mother, but maybe, Torsten, tell me, maybe you relate to this. Can you see yourself, so there's a part of you that you don't like, okay, you've done something and really annoys me and I'm not happy with myself.

Can, can you step out of this and look at yourself as a small child

and can you love that child? deeply and say, okay, you're, you're just having a tantrum. You're just having a moment. I love you. I really love you. It doesn't matter what you do and, and get in that state. I, I, I wonder, I wonder if that's my way of, of doing it.

as I say, I don't know because I have children, I am a mother. So I have that, that love and that feeling that, that love for yourself, for your child. And I projected to myself as a small child and, but I think we can all connect to this, to this small child, small child of you, a small version of you and hold it in your arms and say, okay, okay, we're going to work through this together.

It's, it's okay. So that's, that's my way of, of, working on that, on the love.

I can relate to it actually, my experience is at a slightly different level, but I have that as well. For me it is, you know, often if I see children and it's, you know, it's normal, you've got a, there's a child and you immediately love that child and Whether it's your own or not, you just, you know, I think it's a lovable human being.

And then I think that this child will, you know, at one time be 70, and I'll see the same person and I'll be full of judgments about that person because, you know, I don't like this, I don't like that, but it's the same person. Right. And so in a way, I'm doing the same thing already with other people that you are suggesting you to do for yourself, because that is a great way of.

Of putting yourself in a place where you can love who you are because if you connect with that little person there, there's no way of being, of scolding him or her. it's, I think it's a great idea. It's a great concept that might, you know, many of our listeners find useful here. So thank you for sharing that.

it could be a good path to accept yourself without forcing an acceptance, but by accepting it by really understanding, you know, you are this. Little tiny being just trying to make the best in this world, given your circumstances and giving The ideas that you've taken on along the journey and then obviously when we talk about growth.

It's also about discarding some of the ideas and, and leaving these beliefs behind that don't serve you and rather, you know, starting from, from scratch with an open heart and open mind as well. And this is the not the mind part that comes in as well. but I think it's a very useful tool that you've given us here at the end of our little episode.

So thank you very much for that, Heather. It was lovely to reconnect with you.

It was great. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you very much. Yeah.

And, once your website is on, it's live, I know it's going to take a few more months, probably then we might have another chat and explore more aspects because if there is no love, there's nothing. So I think the topic itself is very, very important. 

Mm-hmm 

is the essence as you say. So thank you for sharing everything.

Thank you Torsten. Thanks a lot. Mm-hmm

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