Qigong and Intention: How Information Shapes Our Reality - Luise Kohl-Hajek

Where the mind goes, Qi follows. For Luise Kohl-Hajek this practice and phrase was a key part of her healing journey from a breast cancer diagnosis. Qi, being the vital life force in the Zhineng Qigong practice. Intention was what drove Luise to find alternative methods to heal cancer. To find new information, change her mindset to a positive one and change her prognosis. Homeopathy was one of the methods she tried, it supported her journey though it didn’t heal her completely.

Her Qigong teacher, recommended a book at a time when Luise was at a crossroads: western medicine or eastern practices - China, ultimately was her destination of choice. After hearing about so many healing stories. Information is what changed and shaped her understanding, as it reinforced her belief in the power of her mind and body to heal. And her intention and deeper unconscious beliefs influenced her healing. While conscious thoughts, like the mind, may be filled with doubts and fears, a deeper, often unconscious conviction, like one’s heart, can drive the healing process.

Intuition guided Luise as she navigated her health challenges. Her inner voice urged her to practice Qigong consistently, leading her to believe that after four weeks, her cancer would heal. Intention is linked to information and information to manifestation. It’s by hearing new information that influence our beliefs, heart and mind. What information or thoughts are you going to listen to? An old frame of reference or something new and positive?

Tune in to hear how Luise and her deep-seated intuition combined with learning new information, helped her confront fear and navigate her life.

Mindful Moments:

• Yi Dao Qi Dao - Where the mind flows, Qi follows. A principle central to Zhineng Qigong
• Healing with Qigong: Trust in the healing process and allowing the Qi (vital life force) to work in its own way is important.
• Clearing blockages with Qi for trauma: Complete healing involves understanding and integrating deeper emotional and psychological layers, not just conscious thoughts.
• The choice in how we react to thoughts or information: During difficult times we have a choice in how much we follow old frames of reference or thought patterns , though it takes consistency to overcome
• Self awareness: Becoming aware of one's thoughts and choosing to align with deeper wisdom is an ongoing practice that requires presence and commitment
• Intention and deeper unconscious beliefs play a crucial role in shaping one's reality
• In Chinese philosophy, the heart represents deeper knowledge and emotional wisdom, not just the mind

Links & Resources:
Luise’s website: https://www.zhineng-qigong-hessen.de/kontakt/
Luise’s Email: qigonghessen@email.de
Luke Chan’s 101 Miracles of Natural Healing: https://a.co/d/3jHP5pA
All about Qi: https://www.zhineng-qigong-students-hub.com/ask-a-qigong-master/

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Transcript

Where the mind goes, the qi follows the flow. This fundamental principle of Qigong is called Yi dao Qi dao. As simple as it is, how do we apply it in our daily lives? When the world around us seems in turmoil, sharing from her own powerful experience, Luise Kohl-Hajek explores the essence of this principle and how it changed her life.

My name is Torsten Lueddecke. And this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast.

I suggested the topic yi dao qi dao, which means, where your mind and your heart goes, there the energy flows, the energy follows always your attention. Well, this is kind of a Well, already quite popular, well, let's say sentence people in the street, even if you ask them, they would say, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

That's true. We know that. But, to realize, that in my personal life, this actually has a great meaning as great importance is a different thing, different story. And yeah, it has a very, it had a lot of importance in my personal life, actually, and in my life with Qigong in particular, with doing Qigong.

When I think back of, how I got into contact with, Zhineng Qigong, that was a time that was quite hard for me because at that time I had the diagnosis of, breast cancer. And, well, luckily, I would say I had, a Qigong teacher at that time already. I had started Qigong many years before, but not Zhineng Qigong.

And, he taught us also not just the movements, but also the, the consciousness, that's behind it, all the philosophy, I would say. Yeah. And when I had cancer, he said, okay, I, I told him, okay, many people in my family had died already from cancer. So and he told me, you will be the first one in your family to survive cancer.

So this morning it came to my mind actually, and I thought, okay, this was kind of the initial, initial. Information that made me think, okay. It could be different for me. Yeah. And, also, I would say, when I got the, when I got the diagnosis, there was a, in a, in an instant, I had one little thought that would, that was, if I practiced qigong for four weeks, my cancer would vanish.

It was just, it came from nowhere, you know, I could not say, yeah, I had this thought, not, not, not, from nowhere, it would not be right to say that because the year before I had already had, Yeah, kind of, another diagnosis, that, yeah, I was dizzy most of the time, I could not hear well, and so on, and, and at that time, I had, like, I was treated in hospital, but it didn't help much, and, so, and I had, one week of Qigong, actually, in the summer, and after this week of Qigong, everything had vanished.

And it has ever since. It never reoccurred. So that was already quite a strong information. So when I had the diagnosis, I, this thought came, but I kind of wiped it away and thought, okay, okay, it's such a, yeah, really dangerous thing. And people tell you when you've got cancer, at least at that time, many people said, most people said, okay, this is already your death sentence, more or less.

Today, we know that breast cancer can be healed in many cases, but at that time it was not so widespread, this recognition. That was a long time ago. It actually happened in 2001, so 23 years from now. In the course of this whole process with my disease at that time, I decided not to go the usual path, not to take the usual path.

That means operation within four weeks or so. I decided, to try with homoepathy. I had a doctor, a natural doctor at that time. I found him by, by chance or, yeah. And, he said he had, successfully healed. breast cancer with homoeopathy before, so we should try. It helped, but it did not heal it.

So I had an operation the year after. All the time actually dealing with my, Yeah, with my consciousness, with my, trauma, which I certainly carried from my childhood, et cetera, and trying to solve it, resolve it in some way. And, when I had the operation, it turned out that it was, yeah, there was more, cancer and so on and so on.

So in the end, I had, like, only the choice either to, to have a complete, mastectomy, and, and, and chemotherapy, or to go to China. So I got the information, actually, from my Qigong teacher, who, by chance, again, found, on the, on the computer one day, a picture appeared on his screen, 101 Miracles of Healing by Luke Chang.

And he got interested and he wrote to America. Luke Chang was in America at that time and and got the book. And, yeah, actually he told me about it. So he, he sent me, at that time he didn't live here, so he sent me, one copy of one, one story, life story of one of the people who had got healed. by and by somehow in within me that grew the the hope that when I go to China, I might get help, I might get cured.

So in the end, I ended up in China. I've told the story many times before I ended up with Luke Chan, who had just went back to China. And as I had the information in my head, four weeks four weeks, four weeks. I had it in the first place when I got the diagnosis, but also in the, in the life stories of the people who had got healed, they, many people said four weeks and I was healed.

So this was the information. And within these four weeks, actually it happened for me. Amazing. Amazing. If I think back today, I hadn't understood for quite a while why this was possible, but later on. It was clear. It's the information that counts. And many, many other cases in my life. I had experiences that really showed me it's true.

So let's, let's look a little deeper at that. So what you're basically saying is that where the mind goes, The, the energy follows, or in other words, you know, people that don't do Qigong, they might say, now, whatever my intention is, it will materialize in, in the world. And so, so in order to get an intention, an intention is linked to information.

So if you have this, this information within you in four weeks, I'm going to be healed. That is the same thing as an intention, because it is like a fact for you. Right. It is, it is something that, okay, this is, this is what's going to happen. And it seems to me that you weren't sitting there every morning in front of a mirror and saying, I'll be healed.

I'll be healed in four weeks. I'll be healed in four weeks. I seems to me that you only really had this information like once and it sank in, but there was no need to make it a mantra or anything like that. Is that fair to say? 

Absolutely. I don't think it, I was not absolutely convinced, but somehow it sank in, as you said.

I did not repeat it again and again. I had a lot of doubts, actually, when I was in China during that time. I remember one, one day when I thought I, I will even go back home because I'm not able to, to get it, you know. So doubting is okay, but, somehow this deep, deep conviction, I don't know how it happened, but it, it was, stronger than all the other information.

And that is the thing. 

I think this is very important because,m, it's, it seems to me that often we have very conflicting thoughts and conflicting information in particular, if we're in a health crisis. So there's a part of you that believes you can be healed. There's a part of you that you, that, that there is a path.

to healing, that believes that. And then there is all these doubts coming all the time, all these fears, all this anxiety, et cetera. And, and it's just from me listening to how you explained it. It seems that yes, all this shattering about, Oh my God, will it work? And what's happening if It's not working, etc.

It was there. But the other information, it's, it's, it's, which she said, it came out of nowhere initially, or you felt like it came out of nowhere, was so deep that you couldn't, it, it, it, you couldn't unroot it. So no matter what else was up there, like this was an underlying, information, underlying con, conviction that I think wasn't even.

It was more on the unconscious level rather than on the conscious level, because on the conscious level, you had all these doubts and all these fears, right? So I think this is interesting because, this is a struggle we all have that these informations pop up from both sides. So, so let's explore this a little more.

You also said something very interesting. You said, you know, usually when I hear that, I, the, Yi Dao, Qi Dao, right? When I hear that, people think of where the mind goes, the Qi follows, or the energy follows. Now you said where the mind and the heart goes. So I think this is interesting that you mentioned that.

Can we explore this a little? 

Yeah, the mind and the heart. Well, in China, I know, they don't make a difference so much between the heart and the mind. We, in the West, we, we identify ourselves with our mind, mostly, and, there's a saying by, well, Descartes, has had a lot of influence, like, I think that's why I am something like that in English.

No, the thinking is only on the surface, actually, and the heart, well, that's also kind of to say heart, what does the heart actually mean? It means the deeper, the deeper things, the, the, the unconscious also. So your unconscious has to, to go, somewhere in order to, make the, to make the energy follow.

And that is a really tricky thing with the unconscious because there's a lot of information stored in our unconscious and, it, it's called unconscious because it's unconscious, . And, yeah, to make this conscious somehow and to, to really, like in, in ancient Greece, Greece, in the, in the oracle of Delphi, 

the Apollo temple, it said, know thyself. And knowing myself is like really exploring what else is inside my, my unconscious. And that's really been a really interesting journey for me. In all those years, ever since I was healed, actually, dealing with the unconscious in all kinds of ways, I'm still very passionate about it, like, yeah, I, I dealt a lot with trauma and I, I had the training with that and, yeah, there's so much information stored within every person.

Which we don't have access to, but it pops up in situations, where we are challenged on the outside and we feel almost powerless. Yeah, confronted with this information, and so it is so important, I think, to train in times of when it, when there's not so much challenge to train every day, every day, every day, to really, understand who I am, what, what do I identify with.

And, to really see that it's not my, my body. It's not my thoughts. It's not my feelings. There's, a deeper realm, realm, a deeper level of being than all this and, to, to identify with that because that is deeper than all the of it. The old information given to us or imprinted in us.

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What could say, although we don't have a choice about what information we have picked up along the way and what has been imprinted, we do have a choice on how much we follow this information. You know, whether we are just a blind slave to whatever, you know, our past has brought onto us, or whether we are saying, yes, this information is present, but I don't need to necessarily buy into it.

I don't necessarily need to follow it. I know it's there, but you know, there's more and there's more and deeper wisdom. And, the, when you, when you spoke about how the Chinese don't really differentiate so strictly between the mind and the heart, that, that it's, it goes, you know, one goes with the other.

Yeah. One could easily say that you know, that the, that the heart information is the far stronger information. It's the deeper knowledge. the deeper knowing. And that is why, you know, all this noise from outside, is there, but it doesn't have to take over your life. And I think that is, you know, from the conversations I had so far, that is a, one of the critical factors for the people that actually, you know, they need to know.

They heal themselves and others that struggle more. That they don't allow the old information, the past, to take over. But, you know, that they connect with their, with their deep inner knowledge, which is Yeah. Like, like really everything is good and everything will be good and everything will always be good.

Right. And then, this chatter doesn't have the power over you, but that's just my thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. And add whatever you feel is right for you. 

Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. However, it's not so easy to, it's easy to say you have the choice. You always can choose which way you go. I have said that many, many times to, to the people, to my students.

Yes, but in times of, yeah, in times of difficulty, as I said before, when you are challenged, it, it's not so easy to really you. Choose because you, you feel more like there is no choice. And to really, yeah, step away from that. It's, it's, from that old pattern, from that old understanding. It's not easy.

I have, I want to give an example. I recently had this accident, a little accident. I fell over in the street and I, I, broke my left shoulder, my left upper arm. And, I went to hospital, of course. And, at the hospital, they told me, It will last like, at least eight weeks or three months. So that was the information they put inside my head.

And I put inside my head, I accepted the information. And, yeah, I, I feel like it was very, or it is, it still is quite difficult for me to overcome that because healing a bone somehow doesn't, for me, it's, it seems like, Because bone is solid, and cancer is, I couldn't see it, I couldn't feel it, you know, I could feel it but not see it actually, so it was more like the soft thing in the, in the tissues and so on.

There seems to be a difference for me, I don't know why, but there is, there is a difference. So. I followed this information now, and I'm aware of it. And yeah, of course, I'm recovering, and it's all going well. But, but still, it took longer than it could have taken. I think if I had just, like I have done many times in my life, thought, okay, I am not a slave to that thinking, to the Western doctor's thinking, and I have had lots of other information and experiences.

So, still it's possible to, you know, in parts of your life, to not be able to choose because you, You, the old information seems so, so, yeah, seems to, to, to govern everything, to determine everything. So, choosing, yes. Becoming aware again and again and again and again in every single moment of your own words, of your own thoughts, etc.

And that is something that none, nobody, none of us, most of us, I would say, would not be able to do because there are situations when you are more tired, when you're more stressed, etc. When there's, in your family, there's things happening that are not so easy, and in those situations, to be so wide awake that you can always choose and always be in the big Qi field where you know everything's possible, it's not so easy.

It's it sounds easy, but it's not. 

I totally get you. I totally get you. And I also think, you know, we are pointing to something which is quite important. Now when you talked about the healing of your bone and you had the information, it'll take around 12 weeks. Now, quite frankly, you know, whether the bone heals within eight weeks or 12 weeks, I mean, who cares, right?

It's a little more time. So, so also I think we shouldn't try to become righteous. about certain details about the healing. Now, if you've got, I think the intention is that you said is my bone is completely healed. That is the intention. Now you're not going to go there and explain to your unconscious and to the Qi field, how exactly it's supposed to do that healing, right?

Because that would be to do because we don't really know. So we should trust the Qi that it does whatever it needs to do, that it takes the time that it needs. Right. So I'm also, because I know this is a public podcast, I don't want people to do stupid things yet. Say you've got a broken bone and you get the information.

It takes 12 weeks. You know, don't try to do heavy weight lifting with that arm after four weeks because you think you don't need to believe the information. All right. So there's a big, there's a distinction between trusting that you are, you are completely healthy. Without, you know, setting a mechanism, a cause, a time frame for it.

We don't need that. Let the chi do the work and let's trust the chi and the inherent wisdom of the body to do whatever it needs to do and to take the time that it needs. I mean, that's, I think this is important to understand also. 

Yeah. Ah, yes. Um. Maybe I should, I would like to give a few more interesting experiences to, I just remember one a few years ago.

My mother was in an old age pensioner's home. She could not walk properly. And, she had like a walker and many people around her also had walkers. I, I visited her very often because I wanted her to, yeah, to get, to get, better and because she'd been in hospital before, she couldn't walk at all at the beginning.

Then we walked every time I was there and so on. So at that time, very strangely or not strangely at all, suddenly I had problems with walking from one day to the next. I could not really walk properly, and I was in tears actually, because I thought, oh my god, what's happening now? Like, I had all these old people with walkers around, around me so often, and I, I remember sitting in my room crying and thinking, okay, now my fate is already determined, and I have all these thoughts sometimes.

These thoughts are just coming up. And then I remembered, okay, no, I'm a Qigong teacher. I will not buy into those thoughts. And I really connected strongly to, to the information, which I also had in my subconscious, in my mind. And, yeah, I went to sleep. And next morning I woke up. I did not even think of it.

I went down. My husband didn't say a word, but he observed me because he had known the day before. I was absolutely not able to walk, or only a few steps. And I, yeah, I got on my bike, I went to the next village, et cetera, and there was nothing the whole day, but in the evening, I was invited to a birthday party and, yeah, there were some colleagues of mine from school, because I was a school teacher at that time, and, we just went downstairs and I, well, I just hit with my right foot, I hit one of the stairs and just a little bit, and one of the people behind me said, be careful.

And at that time it came back. I couldn't walk. I hardly could walk down the stairs and it was like almost impossible for me to, to get to my car to go home, you know, it somehow I managed, but very hard. And it's very interesting because. then obviously at that moment I connected with the other information.

So it's, it's so interesting how we connect just by, you know, an information that, that connects with my other information suddenly evokes, you know, something like that. So I remembered at home, okay, what was, what happened? And it was okay after that. But that happened in, in several cases actually in the past, not only with walking, only with different things, but I have this experience and it's amazing.

Every word, every thought can actually make a change. 

That is the learning. So the information works both ways. Right. And it only proves how powerful the mind is. Yeah. Yeah. If you buy into this information, it's going to materialize. And at that moment, the information was, oops, I've got problems walking. I can't really move.

And immediately the body reacts for it and basically follows your instructions. And now, but if, if this is true in one way, it's also true in the other way. Right. So it really shows how powerful the mind is. And as a good example, from the other, spectr that, that wherever the, the mind goes and the heart goes that she will follow or the energy will follow and the body will follow.

Yeah. So information is really the most important thing I have come to realize. Yeah, we have these three matters of existence as Dr. Pang explains, like, Like qi, like matter and, information, but I think information is really the most important, and I'm, I'm only still realizing what information means.

It means everything. It means the smell that surrounds me. It means my thoughts. It means what I see here in my room around me. When I wake up in the morning, what is, what is the first thing I see? That is information. Inside, outside, what people say, what I say, my own words, my information, I give to other people.

So it's always like, it's this dance, this amazing dance in the universe, all the time, between the individual and the collective. It's, it's really, yeah, it, I'm still in awe of it, and I, sometimes I cannot understand, oh my god, yeah, like, you know. But, one thing I would like also to say to, give an example of the collective, information that may influence us so much, during the corona times, we had a lot of, yeah, very negative, reports on TV and in the newspapers and it was more negative than before.

People were really like, put in fear. Well, everywhere there was just fear and there was just, I would say in the kind of people were manipulated, I would say, into fearing, fearing the virus, fearing, to die and to, to, to be contagious, et cetera, et cetera. And, there was, it was kind of hysterical, actually, around me.

I could really see it. People were changing so quickly and connecting to their primary fears. to the primal fears within. And, yeah, at that time it was, actually for me it was easier to not to buy into those,uh, those fears because I had already seen so much with, with the Qīngjīgōng, experiences.

So I, I was kind of, Yeah, immune to it, but, but yes, I could see it around me, and I can still see that from then, maybe it started before, but I can realize it more, more clearly now, the media, really kind of spread fear all the time. warning, fearing, okay, now it's getting hot, it's, it's getting, the next hell, heat is, is waiting for us.

It, I read this morning only, but it's cool all the time, more or less in Germany. This is the first really hot day, you know, and yeah, all the time, like spreading fear of war. Yeah, of course there are these wars and, but if I clutter my mind with the wars all the time. Every day just thinking about it, worrying about it.

I am not, I'm no good for the world. Nobody is good for the world whose mind is cluttered with this negative thinking. So I really have to manage myself, really well to, to, what do I let in? And what do I connect with? To not just, sit in front of the TV and, and consume the news without thinking and allowing myself to be, become darker and darker and more connected to the, primal fears that are inside me.

Yeah. 

I think what you're pointing towards is that if we talk about information that comes from the outside, there is this information, but it's at the end of the day, it is me who is processing this information. So I might be exposed to exactly the same information that someone else, but what determines, you know, My future and my life is how I process this information.

And I think that is, that is what you are encouraging all of us here to do, to processes in a way that it doesn't, or that it supports you rather than takes away from your powers. And we can see this a lot with Qigong masters. I mean, you, they're, they're the best examples. It doesn't matter what happens in their life, in the outside, their processes in a way that, you know, it doesn't affect them negatively.

And, and that is, something which, you know, if all of us would do that, we would also change the world because, you know, if nobody's processing is in a negative way, the world would be obviously far more positive. If nobody buys into the idea that the Russians are all bad people and we need to arm ourselves against it.

Nobody buys into these ideas, then, you know, life would be very different because they're not bad people, right? So, yes. So the processing of information, this is within our control, and this is something which we need to be aware of, because if we're just consuming, you know, listening to the news or reading the papers, consuming without having our, our, you know, conscious shield on of saying, what does this information do to me?

Yeah. Yeah. Also knowing obviously that this, that what we call information in the news is not information. It's propaganda because somebody wants us to think a certain thing. And we know that that we can look at these informations very differently and respond very differently and take on very different information.

Right. 

Absolutely. One thing I'd like to come back to, is you said the Chinese masters are really good examples for how things don't affect them, when things happen, they just have a positive thought, the first thought principle. What is my first thought? Very important. I absolutely agree. But the thing is, These Chinese masters practice qigong all the time.

They teach qigong all the time. They are in this qigong thinking bubble and living bubble and whereas somebody, who lives in a normal life I would say normal, yeah, normal life. So it has a job, has surroundings, surrounded by people who do not know about Qigong or do not care about Qigong. And, that's much more, difficult for those people, to be aware and to have their own Yeah.

Resilience, I would say. So it's kind of resilience that the Chinese teachers acquired because they practiced qigong for so many decades. It's so easy when you are in the qigong bubble, I would say, to really, yeah, think like this, to act like this, etc. But as soon as you go back to normal life. Go back to your old friends who don't care about Qigong, whatever you're doing, it's much more difficult.

That actually happens to me. Yeah. 

Now, let me challenge you a little, Luisa, because at the end, this is also just information. So basically we are buying into the idea, the thought, that if I'm a Qigong master, it's easy. If I have a regular life, it's difficult. Now, what if we can transform that information And say, no, it is easy for all of us.

Because now we have this, this aware, are we, you know, we just choose to be aware all the time. And it's, it's really a practice thing. Now, if you are aware, the more you are aware and the more often you choose, the more it becomes just who you are and, how you react to things. So let's not buy into this.

Let's just all say we can do that easily. 

Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for this challenge. It's true. So it's the, it's kind of, I, I got into my own trap again, you know, into the trap of my own thinking. And that's what happens all the time. And it's very good if I have someone like you at this moment who reminds me of that.

That's what we all have to do for each other to remind each other when we, When we get back to that ordinary thinking, and I'm, I'm really grateful at this very moment to what you said, you're right, I have always, no matter what my environment is, no matter what the people around me believe or think or say, I have the chance to get back to the information.

That I am more than my body. I am more than the information people try to make me believe, etc. I am just, yeah, so much more and I am every time, I'm all the time able to connect to, to every information I want to connect to. Thank you. So it's easy always for everyone to, yeah, to get. back to that knowledge.

I'd like to, I'd like to share a story here that I think is fundamental to how can you be in that state. And that has to do with our, you know, quite arrogant way of going through life that we think we know what is good and what is bad. And there's this old story from China. I'm sure many of the listeners know it already.

So excuse me if I bore anyone. But it's about this, this, this, this, farmer in China. He's got a son and one day a wild horse runs towards the farmer and the whole village comes and says, wow, you're so lucky. And, you've got a horse now, you're so lucky. And he said, well, no, it's neither good or bad.

I just have a horse now. And then a little later, the horse ran away and the whole village came to the farmer and said, oh, poor you, the horse ran away. So sorry. And the farmer said, it's neither good nor bad. It's just that the horse went away and the horse came back with a whole herd of more horses.

So everybody in the village came back and said, wow, you're so lucky. Now you've got a herd of horses. And the farmer said, it's neither good nor bad. And then the son, you know, was riding one of the horses, fell down, broke his leg. So the village came and said, poor farmer, your son broke his leg. And the farmer said, it's neither good nor bad.

And then the army came because China was at war and brought, took all the young sons from the village into the war. Only the farmer's son could stay behind because he had the broken leg. So everybody in the village came back to him and you can continue the story forever and forever and forever. But what I'm really saying is we don't know what's good or bad.

You know, so many things in our life happen and what we think is good in the first instance turns out to be something, you know, not so good later on. And something that we think is bad turns out to something very good at the end. And this is why I think that the marsh says basically what they are saying, things are neither good nor bad.

It's just what they are. And that is a fundamental knowledge, and if I have that, then it's not a miraculous practice to go through life and, you know, and process the information that way without having it affect you. And, so I, I honestly, I fundamentally think it is an easy thing. It's not a difficult or complex things.

We don't need to study hundreds of books Qigong for 55 years. and teach other people in order to get there. I think we can do it in an instant. If we understand that the cause of all our unhappiness is that we think what we know what is good and what is bad. And it's just this judgment that basically runs our life.

Now, if we don't have this judgment, and if we let go of this judgment, then life is a walk in the park. 

Absolutely. You're right. You're right. But every single moment you have to do that again and again. It's the next moment. It's always in the present. I have to be aware. I have to become aware. Okay. I agree with you fully.

And it's, it's not over when I once understood it. It has to, the next moment has to be the same. I have to come back to it. Or I, yeah, I have to, it's always like difficult. But I. I want to, and I, I decide to, I choose to, exactly, that's it. Yeah. 

And, and my thought about this is, if you truly understand it, then you react automatically like this.

Now if it's just a concept in your mind. Just like you said earlier, a lot of people, when you talk to them on the streets and you say, well, your intention is what manifests in your life, they're all not, but I tell you, they haven't understood because if they would have understood this concept, they would, they would go through life differently.

And it's the same thing. It's the same thing with this concept. Now, once you totally understand that concept, there is no other way of going through life. You don't need to remind yourself. You don't need to, you know, discipline yourself. It's just, you know, you fundamentally got this idea. So that's how you go through life.

But yeah, that's just my five cents in this conversation here. 

Yeah. Very good. Thank you. You have talked to many, many masters and teachers before. So I think that does also broaden your own, picture of, of, of it. And it has certainly influenced you and your, your life as well. So, yeah, I would, I'm, I'm infinitely grateful for all the information that I got in this, Qigong, field and in these years when I practiced Qigong and taught Qigong, it's, it's so great and it has, yeah, it, it will never end as long as I live, definitely.

But I'm learning. I'm still learning. And I feel that, okay, today I may have understood, but the next day there's some confusion suddenly because, yeah, okay, there's a new challenge. Another, another, thing I have to deal with, and again, again, I have to come back and to realize, okay, so, that's what I meant when I said it's not easy, but it's easy.

It's easy, but not easy, like it's empty, but not empty. It's the same thing. 

Yeah. Absolutely. And this is where awareness comes in. If I, the moment I'm not aware, I'm just walking through life like a living dead, then, you know, I, I, I won't notice what I'm doing. But if, if I constantly get back to my awareness, then I discover these things, just like you discovered, you know, with the information about the broken bone, how it affected you.

So you, so you saw it. And at that moment you have a choice. If you don't see these things, if you're not aware, then you don't have a choice, you just know. Yeah, 

exactly. And then also, one thing I I'd like to point out is that there's a tendency, maybe more among women than among men, because women usually they talk about experiences, they exchange information about feelings, et cetera.

And, yeah, I realized, when people ask me about, for example, the broken bone, et cetera, so I have, I have, or I had the tendency, several times it happened to me, that I told the whole story again. They wanted to know how it happened and everything. Every time I tell those stories, I connect to that incident, and it confirms, okay, bone broken, bone broken, oh, horrible, horrible, horrible, and, that is a trap I found, a trap which I, put up for myself, or other people, yeah, I, I choose to follow the trap, which they, they offer me, and, Yeah, exactly.

With women, I think this happens a lot more than with men, at least in my surroundings. Men normally don't talk so explicitly about what thing, what happened to them, how they felt and how horrible it was and whatever. It's, it's like It's like a temptation. I felt tempted to, to go into the story again, even though I realized, Oh no, no, no, don't go there.

Because I have already got the different information. I'm healed. I'm healed. It's already good. But I was tempted. I tempted myself, whatever, to follow that. And That is something we shouldn't do. If, if possible, if we realize it, just say, okay, nothing like that. I don't follow that story. I don't follow what, what, what was so painful for me anymore.

If I have physical pain, it's the same thing. Do I follow my physical pain that is there or do I follow something different? And that is when I have physical pain, it's, it's It's difficult, but I'm training myself to put my anchor somewhere else, you know, like follow my, my breathing into my lower dantian, for example, and, and having all kinds of methods that help me to not connect to the information of pain.

Or else, 

yeah, that's a great example. And I think we all know these people in our life that we call drama queens. So something happens to them and they just get completely obsessed in telling it in the brightest colors to anyone they meet. And that obviously now only reinforces the drama. So it doesn't help them to get out of the drama.

It just makes it bigger and bigger and bigger. Mm-Hmm. And I remember a podcast that I had, I think it was with Andrea Han. So for the listeners that want to listen to that episode, Andrea had been diagnosed with, multiple Sclerosis and she decided to only tell three people about it because she knew if all her environment had this information, it would kind of reinforce this information.

And she decided, she just decided not even gonna share it. So, that was a clever way, I think, you know, and not everybody can do that, but it was a clever way of doing exactly what you said, don't, don't stick to this information. Don't repeat it over and over again. So I think I'm very grateful for you to bring up that point, at the end of our conversation here, because I think it's an important aspect of this idea where the mind goes.

The Qi follows the flow. 

Absolutely. I also, I did the same thing when I had the cancer. Even though I was not healed after the operation, I told people I'm healed. It's okay. Yeah, I went to school again and worked again with, knowing that there was still a lot of cancer, but I, yeah, convinced myself so much.

I was, I'm healthy, et cetera, et cetera. And then I went to China. But I didn't tell people because I hadn't realized in the first place that my colleagues called and people called. Oh, you poor thing. Yeah. Poor thing. Oh my God, what information is that? Because, Women, women tend to do it like this. I had a lot of female colleagues and, yeah, so that was the information I, I, I got even I had to come comfort the other people at that time.

So I decided I won't tell anyone that I still have the cancer. Only my family knew. And that helped, that helped to stay strong, actually. So if you are able to, to not talk about it, with so many people, it helps you a lot more. Yeah, because it's reflected all the time. It's made worse and worse and more dramatic and more dramatic.

And that doesn't help anyone. So I, yeah, I really try. I love to surround myself with, um. With, Ong people and Ong teachers, and if I ever have a problem, a really serious problem, I had some problems also in my family before. So what I did was connect to teacher she or teacher , and they, they gave me the information that that was necessary at that time.

So, yeah. So I don't need to connect and tell other people. 

Cool. Yeah. I think this is a great, closing word from about our little. conversation today about this idea of where your mind goes, where your intention goes, the energy will follow and it will manifest. But I would like to know Louisa, you've been a teacher for many, many years.

And, what, are you offering these days? So if I'm interested to learn Qigong with you or continue with my practice, what are the possibilities I have as a student? 

At the moment, I'm, I'm just teaching, here in my surroundings, so in the north of, Hessen, Hessen, Germany, part of Hessen, part of Germany, sorry, in, September, from the 1st to the 10th of September, my friend Anita Ilicic, who's also been a Qigong teacher for a long time, and me, we are offering, a 10 day, Qigong holiday retreat, on the island of Korčula in Croatia.

It's the, the eighth time, actually, we offer that. We do it every year. We love to do it. It's really wonderful. And that is, mainly, that are mainly the things, that are coming up, in the, yeah, in, in, in the future for this year, maybe, but next year, I'm, I don't know yet. There will probably be a lot more things.

Actually, I'm, I'm also one of the, the heads of the, Qigong Association Germany. I was, one of the people who founded it. And, um. So we are also planning something for next year. Again, we had like a really big gathering last year in September and many, many people were there and we had a wonderful time and we are thinking of offering something similar next year.

So. Yeah, try and, and, and follow the information. 

We will have your website in the show notes. So anybody who's interested in joining, I know that the conference was a huge success and it was, although it was the German association, it was an international gathering. So I suppose you're going to plan the same for next year.

And then the Corsica event, is it also for international students? It's not Corsica, 

it's Portugal. 

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. 

Yeah, it could be international because it's not a problem to translate, to speak English and German. So, so far we only had German people, but of course English speaking people are welcome.

Always to join. And in the future we're thinking of offering it, more internationally. We have actually, yeah, spread the information on different channels, but so far it's only, yeah, only German people have followed. 

So this beautiful retreat of yours is going to happen again in June next year. Is that correct?

Yeah, that's correct. It's in the second half of June, actually. I cannot remember the exact date, but you will find them on my website. So, yeah, anyone who's willing to come, yeah, you're welcome. And it's, it's a wonderful, place. Actually, we have a yoga house there with a really nice practice room.

We, we, have a small group up to 12 people maximum. So very individual and a very special place, very beautiful, close to the sea. And, yeah, being on an island is a different experience actually. Yeah. 

Yeah. That sounds absolutely divine. And I wish I could be there, but I hope many of our listeners or some of our listeners find an opportunity to explore what you're offering there.

And join this beautiful occasion, because in my experience also to combine qineng qigong with a beautiful setting is a completely different experience than, you know, just doing it online or in a, in a seminar room. So anybody who was looking for a real time out, these retreats are just beautiful.

Beautiful. Great. Well, thank you very much, Luisa, for this wonderful conversation. I really appreciate you taking the time and I look forward to connect with you in the future. 

Oh, thank you so much. It was a great honor for me to talk with you and I really enjoyed our conversation as well. Thank you so much, Torsten.

All the best. 

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