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Wisdom Qigong Uncovered
Qi reactions: Healing with Qigong Practice with Lot Wijlhuizen
Zhineng Qigong teacher, Lot Wijlhuizen, intensified her Qigong practice and was met with a profound experience. Qi reactions, occurred after her daily practice. Qi reactions in Zhineng Qigong are often misunderstood, but they are actually a positive sign of progress in one's health journey. The Qi field responds to clear intentions & improves Qi flow throughout the body working to remove blockages.
Managing Qigong side effects, became a crucial part of her healing journey. Symptoms like nausea and headaches, along with an emotional release presented itself. Old frames of reference were addressed and deep-rooted emotional blockages, were let go of during this time. Qi blockages were finally removed.
Qigong reactions requires a strong mindset and acceptance. As Dr. Pang Ming, emphasised the importance of consistent training and staying the course. Surrendering to Qi leads to greater freedom and this Lot knew. Qigong for emotional healing is particularly powerful, as demonstrated by the Ling Ling exercise, which focuses on the emotional level.
True self-awareness in Qigong is a key concept. Helping students detach from thoughts, diseases, or old habits to anchor on pastures new. Lot suggests three anchors: being your own cheerleader, main character and embodying the "frog" metaphor. One of Dr Pang's many parables...
Experience her journey through her own words.
Mindful Moments:
- Qi Reactions as a Positive Sign: Often misunderstood but indicate progress in one's health journey by responding to removing blockages, and improving Qi (vital life force) flow
- Qigong & Consistent Practice: Consistent training, as emphasised by Dr. Pang Ming, is crucial. Intensifying daily practice can lead to significant progress and noticeable Qi reactions
- Lot's Personal Experience: Lot intensified her Qigong practice, intense Qi reactions like diarrhoea, nausea, headaches, and emotional release occured
- Core of Qigong Practice: To cultivate happiness and joy, using the practice to navigate and transform challenging Qi reactions into opportunities for growth and healing
- Maintaining Qigong's positive mindset: Anchors such as being one's own cheerleader, visualising an inspiring movie character, and embodying the "frog" (as mentioned by Dr. Pang's teachings) are key to remaining positive
- Benefits of Qigong: The benefits of Qigong practice extend beyond physical health to include emotional well-being, personal transformation, self-awareness, and overall happiness and joy
- Qi Reactions: Everything can be considered a Qi reaction, making it essential to recognise and understand these reactions as part of the healing process.
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Torsten: When a Qi Reaction hit her heart, Lot Wijlhuizen turned it into one of the most important periods of her life. An opportunity to clean up, get old things out of the system, and transform her past. Let us learn about Qi Reactions, why they occur, and the blessing they are. My name is Torsten Lueddecke, and this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast.
Lot: For me, Qi Reactions It's always like a positive process. It is when you train or when you start training Qigong, in the beginning, or maybe when you start training more. It can happen that there's so much new Qi or new information as we call it in the body that it starts to restructure itself as part of the healing process.
Lot: And because of that, you might feel like a bit dizzy or nauseous, or sometimes also like a lot of thoughts coming up or resistance, like more mental reactions, and you can also have some emotional reactions. And people suddenly have to cry and they don't know why. It's just actually the Qi working and you also working things out.
Lot: It's also the blockages resolving. So the Qi starts flowing better, blockages resolve. And then suddenly, yeah, things start shifting in the body and you can feel that.
Torsten: So is this, basically that there's suddenly a lot of movement and change in the body and that expresses itself through this Qi reaction as you just described?
Torsten: Is that the right way to put it?
Lot: Yes. Yes. You can also put it like that. Absolutely. Yeah.
Torsten: And you know, I know from a homeopathic medicine, they have something similar sometimes, you know, when you take homeopathic medicine, they say it gets a little worse before it actually gets better. Is that the same thing or is it something else?
Lot: I would say it's a little bit bit worse, first, then resolves. When Qi starts working in the body, it's, it's a little bit less defined because nothing has to be worse. It's just, you feel different.
Lot: So, I have a lot of people, when I teach that come for the first time. And very often they, after an hour, they already feel a lot happier. And they feel a lot more relaxed. So that is a positive Qi working for them. And then they said, Oh, sometimes I had, was so warm. Or I got so cold now, or I felt like a lot of resistance, like halfway.
Lot: So, so that is actually so much more different things that can, you know, happen when the Qi starts working. So it's not just one thing getting worse. It's actually, everything gets better, but you just don't know on what, what level the Qi helps you first, if that's mentally, emotionally, or physically.
Torsten: Okay. I understand. And how come she reaction is such an important topic for you? Because when we started about, you know, what should we talk about today, she reactions came up. Is it a personal experience or is it because of the people you work with or do you think it is just specifically important to know about she reactions?
Lot: Well, I think both, I, I, I teach daily. So I see a lot of people, when they first start. Getting small Qi reactions. So I learned how to help them with that, but, but because I already do this for years now, I also follow people sometimes quite long and when they start training a bit more, or they sometimes have, like, like a few days with me, like I go to the Canary islands and we train for six days, so then things really start shifting and also in personal growth and.
Lot: Then you can see that the reactions are a bit different than when you're just starting, because then it's like little, little things. And when it's, when you train longer, you can also see that in the theory books of Dr. Pang Ming, you can get huge Qi reactions. And then it's like serious stuff because then you get maybe headaches for days and days or weeks, or you get even so nauseous and you get diarrhea and stuff.
Lot: So that. There you can see, like, if people train harder, they, they could, you know, grow so quickly. You know, personally, the true self awareness, there's so much growth in there, that they also get a bit more, reactions. And, so, I help people with that when they when they train with me, but of course, I had to experience them first myself.
Lot: And that was immensely helpful because I had last year I had, I had for three weeks, I had really, really huge Qi reactions. And that was very, very interesting process for me that, that deepened the, the trust in how good they are. And how happy, how blessed you are if you get them. So basically
Torsten: a Qi reaction is a good sign because it means something is working.
Torsten: Like as if the Qi field understood what needs to be done and then starts to reorganize the Qi accordingly. Right. Do you want to tell us a little bit, do you want to tell us a little bit about your personal experience there or?
Lot: Yes, of course, of course, but, but you say very, very good because it's true if, if you, if your intention is very clear, and you keep on working with your intention, then the Qi will help you.
Lot: You just don't know in, in what matter it will happen to you, but the Qi will start to work in any way for you. So your intention will be true in the end. So, so what happened to me is that, I was, I was training quite a lot already. But then I was intensifying my training a little bit from like, really to, to three hours a day.
Lot: And then there was, I don't know anymore what it was, but it was a mental thing. And I thought, okay, now this is time for me to really say goodbye to this. Brain of reference or this, habit. I apparently have, you know, things coming back in my life more often than I was still working with this. And then I thought, okay, now I'm going going to get really through this.
Lot: So a day later, I was training with a friend. And we did, two hours of, Ling Ling, which is opening up the, Hun Yan Palace. Normally you do that like five or ten minutes, and we did two hours. So then the, and that is mainly also focused on the, on the emotional, level, which is mostly level three of, of Zhineng Qigong.
Lot: And then, and then really I woke up the next day and I was, I was completely ill. So I was like in every possible way. So diarrhea, fever, completely nauseous, and a splitting headache as well. So I woke up and, I thought, hmm, I think this is it, you know, this is the moment. And then, within the hour, I was also emotional.
Lot: So I was actually, crying the whole time. No, not the whole time, but everything made me cry. This is strong stuff, you know, because I'd never had that, And I was just crying like 10 times a day, really intensely, so I could feel this is like older or deeper stuff coming out. This is not because, you know, my TV broke down or something.
Lot: So then I thought, okay, well, it, then it's about keeping your mindset as strong as you can, because you don't want to go like into it and just be ill. I really wanted to work with this. So I, intensified my training, to a bit more hours a day and, practiced, first of all, to, to have diff, you know, like the distance between my true self awareness, like me and, and all the circumstances.
Lot: So the, the, the headache and the physical things and the, and the emotional things. So I could get more and more distance from myself and my true self. And, also my frame of reference and the thoughts coming up and the way I treated myself also on being ill again. And that was then I more and more could work with that and help myself with that and heal that on a very, very deep level.
Lot: So I really took the time to have the Qi working for me because it took three weeks. And I just surrendered to it. The first few days I was full of resistance. Which is also, a normal, reaction from a lot of people, but also from me at that time, like, I don't want this. And then I thought, oh no, the first step is acceptance, the first step is surrender, and just go on and just work with this.
Lot: And then, I could really be more and more joyful just doing this process and grateful for the process and that also helped to just go on and train and, you know, let it all happen. And, you know, let it all get out because I, it took a week for the headaches to disappear. And, and also the fevers and the diarrhea took a lot longer.
Lot: So. It was, it was really intense. It was exactly how they write it in the book. And, and, and later it turned out to be actually the most important. Well, not maybe the most important, but a quite important period in my life because I could clean up so much of things out of my system, especially things from the past I, I would normally not be so happy to look at.
Lot: And now I looked at it and I could really transform really like, Oh, can I, I can only also see it like that. So this distance helped me so much to, to really transform. Old stuff. And on the other hand, to learn how to ignore a lot of other stuff, like headaches, like sobbing all the time, like being completely emotional and, and still having, you know, more and more a very deep trust about the whole process.
Lot: So it was, and then it's not overwhelming anymore. And then you can, I can now always go back to that period if I need strength or if I need change. Because then I know we're so much stronger than, than we actually know.
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Torsten: Can I ask a few, a few questions about that experience? Because it's clearly a very powerful experience that you've, gone through there. Mm-Hmm. . Now, when you said, you know, you woke up the next day and you had all these symptoms, you know, a headache and diarrhea and all of that, and you started to become emotional and you were crying, did you, did you know what the reason for the crying was?
Torsten: I mean, did you actually. Did you know what this is all about or was it more an overwhelming general feeling that overcame you? Did you know the cause like, okay, this and this happened in the past and that's why I'm crying now. Or was it more like, you know, okay.
Lot: No, no. I was just, I was just emotional.
Lot: There was, I was just all over the place emotionally. So there was emotional reactions to a lot. Especially some movie I was, I was watching and then, so it was actually emotions itself. I think it was grief coming out, itself, not being related to anything. So, but then I, I did in, in meditations. I, I went to the root of that because I chose to go there and, and get the root out.
Lot: But it wasn't, no, it's never presented very clearly if you don't really take the time to sit down and meditate on it. Would you
Torsten: say, would you say, because a lot of people are scared to go too deep and back into their past because, you know, some of the events that happen in our life are so traumatic that we don't really want to go back there.
Torsten: So would you say it was necessary for you to do this exploration or would you say that just the pure fact that grief could come out of you and you could clear it, would have been enough, to, to get to the next level and, get to actually healing there?
Lot: Oh, that's a good one. I think maybe, 90%.
Lot: It's, it's just, it's, it's just doing that. So also if you, if you listen to, special workshops about, trauma and Qigong, Masali, Masali is very good at it. And I had a special workshop about that. And then he actually says it's enough just to open, really open, open, open, and be loving to it yourself all the time.
Lot: So you just. You just love, love, love, love your lover, as he says it, all the time, and you're open, and then that is enough to release trauma. For me, it was helpful to go actually to the root of something that defined my whole life, and to work with that. And I think my whole life changed. Well, not all, but like a very important part changed afterwards and everything, well, a lot of things got a lot better.
Lot: Afterwards.
Torsten: Yeah. Congratulations, Slot. I think you've done an amazing work here. I just wanted to clarify this because you know, not everybody is at that stage to be willing or able to do that, that work. So if the, if the Qi reaction hits you and you're going through all of this, you don't necessarily have to go and make a conscious effort to understand because the Chi is doing its work regardless of, you know, what's going on.
Torsten: Whether we, trying to understand the exact causes of that. But I get what you're saying, you've obviously, you know, cleared something in your life that was very important, but you were at a stage where it was, where it was, where you were ready to address it. It seems to me. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Lot: Yeah. I've got enough. It didn't work then, so. Good. Yeah. Yeah. But you're right. I think it's enough to just open up and do it and let it work. You don't have to dig deep if you don't want to. Yeah.
Torsten: I think it's wonderful to dig deep because then you can, you know, probably get even, even further. But yeah, I'm just, I'm just, yeah, because as I said, not everybody is there.
Torsten: So I want to open a path for everyone, no matter where they're at, at their life.
Torsten: Now the second question I have is, you obviously very experienced and, when it comes to Qigong, Qigong, and also you knew a lot about Qi reactions before, now here, it seems that, you know, the, the, the mere fact that there was so much emotion coming up as well, that's like an indication for people, okay, well, this is not just a normal diarrhea or normal headache.
Torsten: There's more to it. It's probably a Qi reaction, but we also know that often, you know, if it's just, it doesn't happen at this to the same extent, you know, most people don't have a Qi reaction. They've got a little headache here or there. How can they, how can they, how can they differentiate between, Oh my God, maybe it's food poisoning or maybe it's a Qi reaction.
Torsten: Is there any way, you know, that you could advise us, you know, how do we understand whether it is actually Qi reaction or something else?
Lot: Well, we do, we have like five hours to talk about this because, I would say, well we just discussed it actually. You could, you could, call everything a tea reaction of course.
Lot: So if you, if you go to, like me last week I went to have a, a Coquette and, and a Dutch Chet Chet with acro, COTA, like in Spanish. And that one was apparently very old, so I had all night quite severe T reactions of the Colquette. which was too old. So then you could say, okay, well, apparently you did have a Qi reaction because you trained hard.
Lot: But then you could say, okay, but maybe why, why, why was this happening at that moment? I had that, you know, that food on that moment. So maybe, maybe you could say, okay, that's also G reaction. And I deal with that in the same way. I think it's, I think
Torsten: A great way of looking at it. I never thought about it this way because basically you're right, the body does the same thing.
Torsten: Say you're eating something that's not good for you and the body wants to get rid of it. It's actually the chi doing the work, you know, to get the poison out of your body. And one could argue with that. Basically any illnesses, if I catch a cold, it's also the body trying to get, you know, the virus out or something like that.
Torsten: So that's a very good point. In one way or another, one could say, and maybe there are some Qigong teachers now wondering what is this man talking about? But yeah, in a way one could say anything is actually a Qi reaction because it's the body and the Qi field, doing what it needs to do in order to get you back to a healthy state.
Torsten: All right. Yes, absolutely.
Lot: And maybe also the Qi fields helping you to happen what what has to happen. So, so it's, it's really is about loving the process, loving your life in any moment under any circumstances, regardless what happens. Because you know, you're going to dominate always say, you know, you are so much stronger than everything that's happening around you.
Lot: So in a way you could ignore it, everything that happens, just stay happy. And another way you could say, Oh, I tried to work with it. You know, I'm trying to, to really transform things. So there's two choices actually. Right? If it's a key reaction officially or not, .
Torsten: Right? Right. And, and then, there's another thing you mentioned that kind of caught my, attention, which I'm not clear.
Torsten: Understood. You said you distanced yourself, you distanced your conscious awareness or your consciousness from what actually happened. Can you just explore that a little bit?
Lot: Yeah, that is, that is, actually what we, what we try to learn every day with the Zhineng Qigong mindset is that, that there is like, you are not your disease.
Lot: You are not your thoughts. You are not your pain. You can actually develop the true self awareness, like the conscious consciousness. And then have more distance to thoughts coming by actually, or thoughts that come by a lot, which is then maybe your frame of reference speaking again, or habits, or, certain patterns.
Lot: But you can distance that a little bit from yourself and just have more awareness of it. So then there. choice arises actually to, to have, make a new choice and not be on the automatic pilot, but, but work with all of that from a distance. And then, then your personal strength grows and grows and you get more and more choice and more and more freedom in that.
Lot: Wonderful.
Torsten: Got it. I got it. Okay. Okay. So what would you advise the other listeners that practice Zhineng qi gong and get a qi reaction? Now, what is your advice to these people?
Lot: Yeah, I always congratulate them and tell them I'm so proud and I'm so happy for you because apparently you're really training well because the body gives you this very, very good reaction.
Lot: So please never stop. Please go on and never choose for the fear. No matter what the reaction or the illness is, just go on, trust yourself and trust the process. And I would even say intensify the training. You know, just for fun to see what happens. And when it's like, when it's like overwhelming and too much, okay, you can train a bit less and work with that.
Lot: You know, most of the time it's not that bad. It's, it's, it's small reactions and everybody can cope with that. Just, you know, take time for yourself, really, really go inside, really, you know, take a time to maybe take a rest or a tea and, and, and like. Talk to yourself or smile to yourself a bit more.
Lot: And, and just go on. I mean, it's, it's all, it's, it's completely safety reactions. This is, it's just a good thing. I make positive anchors to people for people, and also for myself in the process. So I had actually developed three anchors, for people to work with. And for me, one was be the cheerleader.
Lot: So, so I was cheering myself the whole time up, you know, Oh, look, you're doing so good. Oh, okay. Now, now you, you're, you're again crying or you're again on the, you know, toilet, but that's so great. I'm so happy for you. You do so good. So there was the, the cheerleader cheering me up all the time saying, Oh, you do fine.
Lot: So that helps with the self love also. Right. And the second was, some movie character that was for me very inspiring. So you can just pick your own anchors that really lift you up and, and help you through, what, what you could also call to us as a bit of a difficult time. And the third one was, was the, the frog master Liu told us about.
Lot: And he, he says, well, he compares actually our true self awareness with a frog. I don't know why he chose the frog, but he actually told us a story about this frog who is just, you know, sitting somewhere and then there's a little ant coming by and this ant bites the frog in the foot. So if you're like in the normal day, and you think, Hey, this, this frog bites me in the foot.
Lot: Are you crazy? You know, what were you thinking? So you can develop a lot of thoughts and emotions about that frog, that ant biting you in the foot. And that is actually Also, I have a perspective sometimes to blame circumstances like things that happen you cannot influence and, and you and you react to that.
Lot: But if you're a true self awareness so if you the frog, you think hey there's a, there's this little hand nibbling my foot. And you can, like, react in a way that you think, Oh, well, I, I ignore this. Oh, this is a lovely little ant coming by. Or you think, Hmm, maybe, I can eat this little, ant and turn it into something positive.
Lot: I can transform this into food. Mm hmm. Thank you very much. So both ways work. So for me, since that period, I always, if something's happened, I say to myself, I am the frog. And then that helps for me to get more distance to things happening and, and dealing in a better way.
Torsten: And which in turn give, in turn gives you the choices that you were mentioning earlier.
Torsten: You don't need to react auto on, on automatic, to any incident that happens. You've got choices and, can choose the reaction and the impact it has on you in your life. Right?
Lot: Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. There's always, there's always a choice and, and, and, but you have to learn how to, how to work with it.
Lot: I think.
Torsten: I love how you, how you use the choice thing for your little cheerleader. Is it actually a Qi leader or a cheerleader that you are having? Yeah, exactly. It's both. Yeah.
Lot: Yeah.
Torsten: And cheering you up, cheering you up when you get a Qi reaction, say you're doing so great. I mean, that's a very different perspective from poor me.
Torsten: I've got a headache. Right. And a very different experience. Also.
Lot: Absolutely. Yeah. So it helped me never be the victim. Never. And sometimes you want to be and you think, there's no, there's never a solution there in that perspective. So then transform and see things really differently. I know this goes a bit far for people that are just starting because, because I see it's, it's also, it develops in the years you train and the Qi helps you for the mindset and the mindset also helps you to, for the Qi.
Lot: So it's. So if, if new people come, I don't help them with that. I just try to be there for them. And, the best thing for them, because I, I asked them, you know, what helped you through that period? And then they always said, well, I needed somebody to, to tell it to who understands. And secondly, it's good to empathize.
Lot: That is a good thing. And I should go on and explain a bit more. So, so knowledge, just knowledge about what's happening and that normally is enough, you know, not judging them also, What kind of tea reactions they have, because when somebody comes and is nauseous, it's easy, huh? You know, oh, you're, you're a bit nauseous, it's fine, you know, take a chair and go on or, or have, have water.
Lot: But sometimes people are full of resistance. So, so you teach them, it's a really good tea field and everything is fine. And then they're suddenly full of resistance. And then I thought, Oh, this is also just a Qi reactions, but they sometimes also, you know, you can feel their resistance, of course, in the Qi field.
Lot: And you think, Hmm, you know, a little less pleasant than somebody gets a bit nauseous. But actually that's the same. It's so, so don't judge any Qi reactions. It's all fine. It's all progress. It's just something else out of the system coming your way. And it's there, so you can just leave it there and, and help them, you know, Feel compassion for their process, no matter how that looks like, what it looks like.
Torsten: And I think that's a, that's a, a last important aspect you were raising here. The no judgment. And when I have a chi reaction, not to go in, Oh my God, I'm like this and that, blah, blah, blah. It is what it is because that's just the path the body needs to take and the chi needs to take in order to get to the healing that I want to achieve with my practice.
Torsten: Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And, so the no judgment, I think it's, I'm glad it came up, you know, now towards the end of our little conversation here, because it is important and in particular to beginners. Now they, they come to the training and say, well, I came here to get better and now I'm nauseous.
Torsten: So what's going on? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Lot: Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That's true. That's yeah. But you can, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take some time to explain, you know, take them seriously and help them because for them, it's all new and they don't know what's going on. So really take time for them to, to really explain and help them, really support them.
Lot: And, yeah, also set an intention for them and help them to set their own intention. Because if, you know, the more you start working with setting good intentions, the better. Everything will go. So also when you're coaching somebody with Qi reactions.
Torsten: So thank you very much a lot. I mean, we've, we've, we've focused on the topic of Qi reactions here today.
Torsten: But obviously you are, you could see you're a very skilled teacher when it comes to dealing with these issues when they arise, but you're just a, you know, normal, you're giving normal trainings. You're doing level one, level two, level three as well, or what are you offering to your students?
Lot: Yeah, all that.
Lot: One, two, and three, nature qigong, eight brocades. I, I make a little bit of a mix, Tai Qi Ball, things like that. So I, I make a mix and I follow actually the Qi field, so I, I, I roughly know what's coming, but I also adapt to what I pick up and people really need. Especially when I'd have to retreat in the Canary Islands, then it's also about, you know, really, really in those six days.
Lot: There's big transformation happening in all, in all levels. So I helped them with that because I'm also a coach. So, that is, that is, that is helpful. Also, during those, retreats, but, they're mostly about love and joy. So it's mostly about being so joyful, being so happy. Well, that is what is about any, any way, but.
Lot: Absolutely. You know, in the sun it's always a little bit more easy for everybody to, to be
Torsten: soldiery. Actually, Canary Islands, it sounds very, very tempting. So I have to ask you, do you offer these, these, retreats in English or is it Dutch?
Lot: H, it's, both. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. So it's open to
Torsten: international students and, you can work with, with, with them either way.
Lot: Absolutely. Yeah. And I also speak some French and Spanish and German so that it's all fine. So I can also like mix it a bit and, yeah, so that is, that is great. And I know I forgot to mention, I'm also a Huyuan Qi Therapist. So I work. A lot with people one on one, you know, giving them treatments, helping them with a personal healing plan and with their exercises and private lessons in Amsterdam, of course, online, you can do everything these days.
Torsten: Absolutely. And obviously I'm a big fan of Hunyan Qi therapy, as you might know, so
Lot: yeah,
Torsten: very
Lot: much.
Torsten: Thank you very much a lot for this conversation and, yeah, and thank you to all our listeners. And thank you for your
Lot: questions. Mm-Hmm.
Torsten: And I look forward to have you on the show, you know, not too far away again, maybe for another topic that we can explore.
Lot: Cool. Yeah, sure. Nice.
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[Meditation]
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