Qigong Saved My Eyesight - Richard Clegg's Vision Journey.

Defying the odds, was almost a birthright for Richard Clegg. Eastern practices always intrigued him, even at an early age. So the Zhineng Qigong practice was no stranger to Richard.

On Mount Hua, east of Xi’an China - he found himself taking an abundance of photographs of his right eye only, as this was the eye that everything occurred in. A retinologist ran tests and the results were that of a detached retina. Due to a tumor in the back of his eye. It could be lethal, if not dealt properly, they said. Enucleation, a primary treatment method.

Richard’s response was, “I will survive, I will thrive, and I will see again”. Intentions were made clear. He declined enucleation as an option. Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, was the next stop as the retina specialist referred him to another doctor but before that, Richard took a detour. After an acupuncture treatment, Andrew Huey, revealed if it wasn’t for his mindful practices over the years, things could have been worse. In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), the eye is the orifice to the liver. The liver holds and stores emotions such as anger, rage or feeling stuck.

In Hunyuan Qi Therapy, Richard recalled these “Heart Stones” - understanding how life altering events leave emotional imprints and working through these blockages achieves emotional freedom. 

Columbia Presbyterian Hospital was the order of the day, following his acupuncture session. A western medical professional presented another treatment. Radiation seed therapy. This medical procedure treats cancer with precision.

Through Zhineng Qigong practice, radiation seed treatment, intention & detaching from his diagnosis, professionals at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital were surprised to find that Richard was already 4 years ahead of his healing process.

Simply put, when many opposed, Richard Clegg Said 'Watch Me!'. Tune in to hear his story.

Mindful Moments: 

• Intention in Zhineng Qigong & healing: How Richard Clegg's journey with eye cancer showcased these practices.
• The Qi Field as a powerful tool for healing and personal transformation
• Love at the core of Zhineng Qigong
• Eyesight prognosis: tumor reduction & healing progressed far beyond medical expectations.
• Columbia Presbyterian Hospital: Richard’s celebrity status. 
• Declining enucleation (removal of entire eye), in favour of alternative treatments.
• Current vision challenges and how Richard is addressing them with Qigong
• La Qi uses, a fundamental Zhineng Qigong practice, to help others dealing with grief and trauma
• How Zhineng Qigong and Huanyuan Qi Therapy help transform old reference frameworks
• Commitment to defying the odds, his strides to a pilot's license
• The Zhineng Qigong community in Richard's recovery from both cancer and personal loss

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Transcript

It took Richard Clegg a mere 120 days to become a celebrity at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital. When the doctors wanted to remove his eye, he said this is not happening. Focusing on the simplicity, yet profoundness of Zhineng Qigong, he did what he needed to do. A fantastic inspiration for all of us. My name is Torsten Lueddecke and this is the Wisdom Qigong Podcast.

So Richard. so much. You said that you would like to talk about how important Zhineng Qigong is in your life and has been in your life. And you mentioned the simplicity, yet the profoundness of Zhineng Qigong. So maybe you would like to take us through your journey, what happened, you know, about your life, about how you met Zhineng Qigong and what it means to you, please.

Great. Well, I'm delighted to do that and I'm very excited to be with you, Torsten, and share my story. Thank you. Those that know me, I'm an open book about myself and how I may, help people. So I was born in 1952. I live in New York State in the United States. Through my early youth, I was very drawn to Eastern practices, but at that time in the world, there wasn't so much communication between East and West.

And so I became familiar. Through my own medical process of 2018, with Zhineng Qigong Science and Huanyuan Qi Therapy very intimately and very, very successfully, going back, looking at my life. Many, many, we all have many, many events in our life. I'm going to go back to a time in 1985 where, you know, the universe gives you what you need.

It's just not always right there present. So a friend of mine whose name is E.H. Jarow, he's an author. He's, he's passed on. He was a Vassar college professor, well known worldwide astrologer, yogi, and author. Has had a saying that you get one of the four D's for you to, try to change your life.

And I got all four of them one week. So the universe will give it to you in buckets. And the D's are death, divorce, downsizing, and, and, depression. I think maybe I'd support one, maybe not. But all came at me at one time and I had no place to go. So in that week, I had really no place to go when everything happened and I embraced change and I began many, many mindful practices.

So when my eye process started, I had had much experience and much education and certification. Ironically I cite 2018 cause that's when the diagnosis came in. But in 2016, I found myself on top of Mount Hua in central China, taking an abundance of photographs of my right eye only, which is the eye that everything occurred in.

And fast forward a little bit, 2017, I had an incident in that eye and I moved through it. In January of 2018, I had an experience that I couldn't move through. I had an intense ocular migraine. And so the next morning I decided to go to, medical Western medical and through a series of process, I met a, eye doctor and he gave me some ointment.

He said, well, I think you just have a scratch cornea and all that. Three weeks later, I didn't agree with him and I went back to him and he went deeper and he didn't say much to me. He just said, I'm making an appointment for you for a retinologist that's close to here. I said, okay. So I went outside and I got this immediate phone call from this office of this doctor and they said, can you be here in 20 minutes?

And I go, sure. Okay. And it went right over my head, whatever was going on, because how often does a Western medical doctor call you and say, can you be here in 20 minutes? So I went up there and really, you know, it was just. Going through the process, and they did all the same testing, and I'm sitting in the room, and this nurse comes in, and she sits down quietly with me, and is speaking to me, and I thought that was a little unusual, but okay.

So, the, retinologist comes in, he's a very large man, and he's, you know, all white, and I'm sitting down, and he comes in and introduces himself, and he says, you, you have a detached retina. I go, okay, could that be because of this, could be in a big booming voice. He goes, no, absolutely not. He goes, you have a nine millimeter malignant melanoma tumor in the back of your eye.

And if you don't deal with it properly, it will be lethal to you. So, you know, I experienced lots of things in my life. And I said, OK, I said, I'd rather be in your chair. Then I said to him very poignantly, and I feel words make incredible worlds that we live in. And words are very important mindset too.

And I said, I will survive, I will thrive, and I will see again. And he, he was just taken aback. And he goes, Ma, you're different. And I said, Yeah, I am. We'll, we'll get to know each other. So I said, Look, you've done all this work. I really do want to hear what you feel. Your prognosis is, how many people do you see like this?

This kind of thing. And he goes, Well, what I'm seeing in your eye is one in a million, one in four million occurrence. And the way I see proceeding is enucleation. And I said, you know, I don't know what that word really means, but I'm not getting a real good feeling about it. He goes, we remove your eye.

And I go, I quietly and respectfully said to him, no, it's not happening. So we talked a little bit more and he said, I know this really great doctor in New York City. I live two hours north of New York City. And he said, I can't remember his last name is he's at Memorial Sloan Kettering Hospital, which is this huge cancer specialist hospital in the United States.

And I want to say right here, I've never related to the word cancer. Okay. I, it's still an enigma for me in my life. So he goes, his name, his first name is Brian. I don't remember his last name, but he raises sheep. And I go, well, that's good. And I didn't say much to him. I said, but it was very comforting to me because I have a farm background and anyone that raises sheep is grounded.

So I said, thumbs up first plus in the whole circumstance. So the rest of the afternoon, I have conversations with people. Deborah is that. work. She's a psychiatric nurse. She calls me and said, how'd it go? I said, I have a detached retina. And I wasn't about to speak to her about the rest of it. I said, let's talk and you get home.

She's okay. So I gave her the news and she was absolutely devastated and crushed. And she fell on the floor crying and she looked, cause she's a Western nurse. And she looked up at me and said, you're kidding. I said, no, dear, I'm not. And then she went back to crying and I spoke to her and. We just settled down and I said, we're going to tell our four children.

And then after that, I'm removing myself from the world to heal this. This is my point. This is my plan. I will only see two patients, a 10 year old autistic young man that I've been seeing for three years and another person. And I will only do one class weekly at Vassar College. Outside of everything else.

It's off limits. I'm going to take care of this. I will be okay. I'll guarantee you that. Okay, so we went through a bunch of different things. She took a family leave. We did energy work. We did lots of she gone. We did whatever. And I had an appointment set up at Columbia Presbyterian where Dr. Mar, Brian Mar, the sheep.

grazier was, and he was the head. He is the head of the department at Columbia Presbyterian. Before we went there, we went to Chinatown, and I went to, an acupuncturist whose name is Andrew Huey, who's the protege of, the prophecy birth, Jeffrey Yuen, who Debra and I had been, students and patients of for 20 years.

He gave me a treatment, and at the end of the treatment, he goes, you want me to be honest, don't you? And I go, absolutely. He goes, I've known you for a long time. He goes, this is your rage in your life. I go, okay, he goes, I know all about what you've done and your mindful practice and your Marshall, and I'm just feeling this and I want to tell you that I feel this is Andrew speaking that you didn't have your mindful practice for your life.

You'd be crazy or in jail or debt or something else. I said, okay, all right, fine, and you know, good treatment, good analysis, and you know, we all have life and everything else.

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was that something you were aware of yourself, that you had this rage or is it, was it like com? Was it breaking complete news to you? 

So the word rage is pretty strong. 

Yes. 

And you and I have been together and you know, I don't know that you go away from me thinking rage. 

Mm-Hmm. . 

I've had a lot of events in my life.

which have been really in, in, in Hunyuan Qi Therapy, call them heart stones. Okay. And these heart stones have been, you know, very strong. It's probably, you know, six or eight of them. And the eye is the orifice to the liver in Chinese medicine, which is angry, frustrated, and feeling stuck essentially. Okay.

The heart meridian runs through it somewhere, which would be rage. So, I had to take it in and I had to absorb it. And this is a man that I regarded. He's He's 20 years, 25 years younger than I am, and that doesn't mean anything, but just as some frame of reference for here. So again, all my frame of references are part of my life, and I accepted it.

All right, so then we went up to Columbia Presbyterian, and we met this doctor, and we, Debra and I both looked at each other and said, this is an unusual Western doctor. He's open. Open hearted and and no, I'm not trying to be insulting to Western doctors, but they usually are pretty very narrow in terms of their percepts of everything, right?

So there's many, many Western doctors out there that are open hearted. This man was open minded and open hearted. He went through everything with me. And he said, you know, at the end of the, at the end of the conversation, like maybe an hour in, we're sitting there and he's drawing with crayons. And he's like maybe late forties, early fifties, and a very pleasant fellow.

And I owe a great deal to him. So he goes, you know, as I see it, you have five options. And I go, well, about enucleation, he goes, that's the last one. He goes, if I remove your eye, which I can very easily, you'll never see from that eye again. And I said, Okay. And, you know, with my own, training and belief and experiences, that's just the physical manifestation of a root element that has got to be changed.

In Zhineng and Huang Yuan, we say that when the flower is ill in the garden, you must change the soil, right, and move on so that the flower can thrive. Just cutting the flower head off. isn't going to help what's going on in the soil. So he goes, he goes through the, the, the, the list. At the top of the list is a radiation seed to be planted in my, my arm, what he knows to do.

And he goes, If you were my brother, I would tell you to take option number one. And I said, do you like your brother? Because I don't have any understanding or whatever. And, and the honest part is that I don't have a relationship with my brother. So, not speaking to that, but I just wanted to know where he was coming from.

And he laughed and he said, yeah, I do. And this is my best shot for you. He further said, I know you're not completely on board with this, but I'd like to schedule it. I'm going away to Ireland. I'd like to schedule it. Get it in the schedule and you decide what you want to do. And I thought that was perfect.

You know, we've already talked about the ramifications. He's also said this and said that as the first gentleman did. So my wife and I went away with, you know, a load. She was relieved because as a Western nurse and as my wife, she wants me to be okay. 

And I just, maybe I missed that point. What is option one?

What was option one? 

Okay. Option one was to put a radiation seed in my heart. Okay, go ahead. Okay, for four days. And, that took a lot for me to, assimilate and, and just feel because it's not my belief system. I'm also being told that if I don't do something, I don't have long time in my life. And recently my daughter reminded me that the knowledge that we had from this process was that if the malignancy spreads or metastasizes, It's a one in 10 chance, 10 percent of survivability.

So these are the real Western statistics presented. So we went away and I decided to do it. And then he, his office calls me up and says, can you do it three weeks before? And then it becomes very real. And I have a, you know, a meltdown. I want to interject here, something very important from the eight days of having the tumor in my eye discovered to when I met Dr.

Marr. By their, scientific calculations. I reduced the tumor 16 percent from 9mm down to something like 7. 6 or 4. They're measurements, not mine. And what I used during this time was intention. And I just addressed the tumor and said, you're not wanted. Your lease on my eye is up. You're being evicted.

And I did many other things, but that was the essence of it. Now, we're just saying my eye is normal, normal, normal. So I went through with the operation. My wife couldn't be around me because of the radio activity. They had Geiger counters on me all the time. It wasn't the toughest thing in the world that I've done, but it was unpleasant.

And, we were continuing to do our own stuff at the same time. So I had a month. I had the first checkup post op one month later, and this is when the journey really started, in terms of everything. And the technician looking at my eye said, Are you sure you had surgery? Because your eye doesn't look like you've had surgery at all.

And then all of a sudden, The office was a buzz. Okay. And then I got to see Dr. Marr. He goes, your eye is amazing. I've never seen anything. It's 25 years and I've never seen anything like this. What did you do? I know what I did. And I know I did it very well. What did you do? I started talking to him about it and he started understanding it.

He actually sent me patients. Okay. From there, we went through the springtime. That was, like March and we did some other things and through the year, 

just, just quickly, because I think there's an important point that you were, you were mentioning, you know, with the intention. We know how important, intention is in qigong, but we also know how important intention is basically everywhere in your life.

You know, whether you're a practitioner or not. And, you know, And, you know, the mere fact that you say, you know, when you explain yourself, you're not focusing on the exercises you did. You're not focusing on, you know, something specific that you, you change your nutrition or whatever. You're really focusing on your intention.

And the intention is the. Is the one's, force that, you know, gives the signals to your, your bodily functions or to your, to your organs, to, to follow your instructions basically. So I think this is a very powerful thing. I just don't want to run over it too much because no, no matter what we're going to touch later on with regards to Zhineng qi gong, this is the essence.

You know, without intention, you can do as many exercises as you want to. It's not going to have a massive effect. So sorry for interrupting you, but I thought this was an important point. I fully 

agree. And you know, the, the saying is where the intention is put, the Qi follows. 

And 

with my eye, I was doing everything non genang at that time.

And Debra and I, when working with people would always, implore the people not to put the word my in front of anything. Don't own it. So I never went to anything but the tumor in my eye, which is my eye, not the other way around. And I still won't. And like I said before, I never related to having cancer.

And yes, I did get afraid, very honest, you know, and, but at the same point, I wouldn't, I detached as best as I could from the fear. And this is, this is my intention to 

and 

my intention was to survive and thrive and see again. I said that within the first two minutes of the retinologist giving me this very dire diagnosis.

And so I was clear on it and I'm fortunate in that way. And, you know, here I am. So in the next interim, we found ourselves by province of the universe, going to Coca Lulu retreat center in Hawaii and, meeting them and team fought a team. Three was there for one year on Chi, therapy and Britta was there and Master Liu was there and.

Then Alfie and Raina Lamer were there, and they, Alfie and Raina, were doing the holistic side of the retreat that we were in, and I think we were with 18 or 20 people. And, we went through four or five days of this, and the first day, after at lunch, I said to Deborah, I said, you know, I don't know what this is, but it's very, very important.

And I, and I used other words, I used, I don't know what Kool Aid this is. But I think it's the right Kool Aid. All right. And I said to her, I'm very, very drawn to this. Very, very powerfully drawn. It's so simple. Dr. Pang, you know, went right to where I now understand is the place to go and put the intention, the energy.

And that is before, you know, the Tai Chi or the Tai Chi, however you wish to say, becomes the yin and yang. It's still the original. information of the universe. So she agreed. Next day at coffee break in the morning, I look outside and she's, I see my wife, Debra. Against the ocean of, you know, and Hawaii with a phone up to her head calling her her job.

She's a psychiatric nurse saying, for May 2019. I want 4 weeks off because I'm going to be in Cyprus doing this module. And we did, we did the with, Bernhard and, and Rayna and Leo and Brita and all that. So now, 

now the, by the module, because the listeners might not know, you mean the first module of the Hunyuan Qi Therapy program, right?

Yes, yes, yes. Mm-Hmm. . 

You know, I am a Huan Qi Therapist. Deborah did not finish the certification. We were both, we are both Janang Chigong teachers to the Xi'an Center, Xi'an Research Center Level 1 and 2, and all this, that, you know, thing. So, after leaving Hawaii and Coca Lulu and, Team 3 in Liyue, I had another appointment in New York City with Dr.

Marr at Columbia Presbyterian. And now it's exactly 120 days. from when my diagnosis was to when this meeting was. I'm a celebrity there now, okay? Because they've never, they just haven't seen this, okay? And this is Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, a mecca of western medicine science. And I get received, you know, short of throwing rosebuds on the floor.

It was really like, wow. So, the technician does their thing, the physical, the physician assistant does their thing, and I'm hearing everyone mumble, and then Dr. Mark comes in, he goes, as I've had like two, maybe two other meetings with him in between the surgery, and then he goes, well, let's take a look, and he starts looking, and he goes, go get someone, and go get this person, and go get that person, and they all come in, And they're going, amazing.

Are you, are you sure? Amazing. And he goes, his statement is, I've never seen this. This is remarkable. He says, the tumor is now at 1. 8 millimeters in his simply scar tissue, and you are at least 4 to 5 years ahead of the healing process as I know it. Okay? No small words coming from a, from a head of the department at Columbia Presbyterian.

So I've seen him, you know, off and on, every six months. Now I'm at one year, I've been clear and clean by him. And he's always interacted, you know, very well. And, all that. And. The radiation seed did cause, it's either pronounced iotrogenic or eotrogenic response in the sense that it created this incredible cataract in my eye, which basically has led me to blindness for, for two years and no depth of reception.

I always like to say I only see out two out of my three eyes now. And I, in January I finally relented because I tried for two years to get the eye normal, normal, normal, no cataract, and I wasn't successful, so I wasn't supposed to. It's as simple as that. I had the cataract removed, at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York City in January this year.

My vision is still difficult. Dr. Maher feels I will never have central vision again. And I said, Well, I've disappointed you before in a very positive way. I will again. In fact, I'm going to go and get a pilot's license, and I have to have 2040 vision in both eyes to do that. He goes, Great. So my eyesight is improving.

Master Liu was here in March at our home, and we did workshops for a week here in New York City. We did eye work on me, and I have eye exercises that I do every day in my practice when I'm in the Qi field and when I'm not, and I expect to have a much more improved vision. My depth perception is much better than ever than, you know, during this process.

So, I want to go and, and I'll speak to the other next situation about how the Zhineng Qigong has saved my life. I don't want to be dramatic. Anyone can judge what I've said. You know, you never know what was going to be because you do what you do, because that is now non existent. But what Zhineng Qigong has given me and what Hunyuan Qi Therapy therapy has given me is a lot.

And just so utterly simplistic in terms of how You know, Liu has said, and Dr. Pang has said, you know, Qigong and Chinese medicine have all these lineages, five elements, animals, this, and I did all that, and I was from all that. I don't do that anymore. I just do Hunyuan Qi Therapy, and teach Zhineng, and that's more than enough.

And I, as you said before, Torsten, it's not about whether you're doing Toon B or not. That is all very incredibly helpful, but it's here and here, what your heart and what your, your head says as your mindset and your intention. So I'm very, very fortunate that this life, that at this time in my life, the last six years that, I found what my new point of life is and my life purpose.

I knew my life purpose. But I'm executing it because of the strength of Zhineng and Master Liu and Junshu and others, you know, that I've met, Dong and all these people, that are wonderful. And I embrace it fully and I feel completely, dedicated to it. 

I would like to go a little deeper into the word simplicity, because for most of us, you know, when we start Zhineng Qigong and we look at the workshops and we look at the literature and we see all these books that Dr.

Pang has written, and they're so difficult to understand. And then you come along and talk about the simplicity. So how, how would you, how would you, describe the simplicity? What is the simplicity for you in Zhineng Qigong? 

Deborah and I always used, and this was a term that Deborah came up with, simply profound and profoundly simple.

And I use that all the time in, in, and, and I want to bring up another thing too. I'm not a healer. I healed me. Okay. I'm a teacher and I help others heal. We all have the internal ability to heal, but I don't wear that title of healer. So simplicity to me is many things. La Qi. Incredible. Okay. In Hawaii at Kal Lulu, I met KYM, her name, and she was sent home with a Get your stuff ready, you got six weeks, and she went to Kal, Lulu, and another one of the hundreds of thousands of stories of health.

Her simplicity was she couldn't do anything. She had lost so much weight, this and that, and this is 15 years ago, and she's thriving still. So, they did La Qi, and eventually she was able to do La Qi. Okay? Very simple. You don't need, you don't need to know all what's behind La Qi, just do La Qi, simple.

And 

just for those, just for those listeners that don't know what La Qi is, it's, it's probably the, the most fundamental and simplest form of practicing Qigong. It's a simple opening and closing of the hands. And, this is, Yeah, with this movement, you basically expand into the Qi field and you get the Qi, et cetera.

So it's a very, it's, it's, it's not physically demanding. You know, it's a very simple movement. You don't have to learn certain routines, but it is very effective because it's the essence of what all the exercises are doing as well. 

Well put, very well put. And for KYM, she did this when she was able to after a week or something, gaining her strength.

In six weeks, she went back to her physicians. After doing this for six or eight hours a day, whatever it was, and doing it joyfully, and doing it not like this is a burden. You know, that's also very important. Your mindset. How are you doing it? Alfie speaks to that all the time. Alfie Lerma. Okay. And couldn't say, I can't say it as well as he says.

So shout out to you, Alfie brother. She went back and they said, you completely, there's no cancer and had metastasized everywhere. She did simple with intention from heart and mind alive and thriving 15 years later. So for me, simple is faith and trust. Intention, qi, huanyuan, and Dr. Pang nailed it as far as I got it from, you know, you can go into theory like those blue, those big massive blue books that are very didactic over there, huanyuan zi and all this and everything, but you just set the intention and you transform heart stones and frame of references to a new point of life moving forward, and this becomes, your unconsciousness or your subconscious, and instead of working from 95 percent subconsciousness of your life behind you and all those injuries and traumas and things that affect you, you now start transforming them so that as you move forward, you beautifully have a different frame of reference for yourself.

Bruce, Bruce Lip, Dr. Bruce Lipstein. Bruce 

Lipstein. Yes. 

Yes. Sorry. I don't know why I went to Lipstein. I love Bruce. He's in epigenesis. He talks about the subconscious all the time, and how important, how it affects us. So that's my simplicity. Simple is good. You know, again, nothing, no aspersions towards any lineage this or, because I'm a lineage person and everything, and including Zhineng, and I find it very important to have a strong root basis, but simply profound and profoundly simple.

And it comes down to love. I feel that's the key of everything and the purity of it. So basically, you come from your heart, you're good. 

Do you have any, I mean, I know it might be a stupid question here, but I'm asking it anyway, because, because we know from your background that you had decades of work now with other energy, energy work, spiritual work, you know, all kinds of healing modalities.

And yet, you know, the moment you met Zhineng, Qi Gong and Hunyuan Qi Therapy, there seemed to be, it seemed to be on a different quality. Do you have any? Explanation, you know, where the difference lies, or is that impossible to answer that question? 

No, I'm going to go back to simplicity and purity. And, again, to explain it a little bit, you know, the cosmic egg of the universe created the universe and the energy was there.

The Tao Te Ching says the one became the two, the two became the three, the five became the 10, 000. Well, so as you get into Chinese medicine and Qigong, as I see it simplistically right now of conversation, you know, you go into five elements and, animal and other aspects that are all after, and yin yang theory that are all after where Zhineng goes, which is before.

The Tai Chi, or the universe, splits into yin yang, because when you get into yin yang, basically, you know, without yin yang you have death, with yin yang you have life, and everything in between is mutable, and changes all the time. The constant of the universe is changed. However, the constant is the universe.

So, when you have Huan Yuan Chi, or the energy of the universe, you go right to it before it changes into yin yang or whatever else it becomes after that in terms of lineages. So when that was what struck me when Alfie and Raina were explaining that about And when you on and you know, they're there, they're there.

They're educational system that they have new point of life, and it just grabbed me. It just this is so, so, so convincingly simple and pure that I'm there. Yeah, so it was just the aha moment. 

Yes. Yes. I think it's. Very well said. I've never turned back 

from it. So I've never turned back from it. It's now, actually it's now six years this week that I was, we were in, Coquiloula with everyone.

So. 

Right. 

So, you know, if I may also speak now to how Zhineng, Qigong science and Huan Yuan, Qi therapy and all the communities. me currently. I would like to do that too. If I may. 

So 

my beloved wife, Debra and our grandson left their life two years ago, 25 and a half months ago. And, basically there are no words for it for me and it's unfathomable and it was, remains devastating to me.

Debra and I, Shared parts and still do. And it wasn't that we finished sentences. We didn't need sentences. We finished thoughts. And, you know, she was happy time manager in Cyprus. She was in life just like he was, joy and love, and, she never met a person. She didn't leave them feeling about, better about themselves.

So she, a remarkable person and the love of my many lifetimes with her. In this time period, I don't think I can really safely say that I would have thrived as much, and it's a hard word to use. Because I go through everything moment to moment still, but there's a real strong question whether I could have survived this.

Without Zhineng and the community, you know, teachers, masters, you know, all the teams, all the, all the students, everyone. My practice. Okay. And, and my intention is to survive it. So that is so I can have my life purpose, but grief and trauma and loss. Or something that is very, very difficult to speak to and, navigate.

That's the word I've navigated this as well as I have because of our belief system, Deborah's and mine and our, our legacy, her legacy and Zhineng. Okay. There's no question about it. I've, I've done, you know, somatic exercises that the West call, which I called she gone. Okay. And they go there. I just have to say how remarkable it has been for me and again, very simple and very point on point.

Last year I also did something. I created a channel on Instagram called grief rider and Debra and I have been motorcyclists for a very long time. And last year in one 12 month period, I wrote. 39, 000 miles on my motorcycle, which is somewhere around 65, 000 kilometers in 12 months in two countries, 36 states in the United States.

But the most important part to that, I did that for me because I was trying to navigate trauma and, and, and the pain of the grief, and it's what I could do, get my brain operating something so familiar. And I also taught and I also treated, and I also did workshops and all this kind of thing. But more importantly, in that 12 month period, I had 700 personal private conversations with people who had losses over grief.

And during that same period of time with those people, I did Qigong. I did Zhineng Qigong, something as simple as Lachi brought great relief to these people. And, you know, I've had, I've had 80 year old men throw themselves into my arms over something that happened 40 years ago. That was stagnated, suppressed heartstones, and just felt so, so wonderful because of what he and I did, and many, many other examples.

So, I want to bring again to this, the simplicity and the profoundness of the beauty of Zhineng and Guan Yuan, and the people that I know in it are just all open hearted. And, I really can't come to, like, a person's name that I don't think has open heartedness that is a practitioner of Zhineng, and, and I don't think it's possible, because I think if nothing else, if you practice, it opens your heart.

It connects you to your true authentic self. All that other crap that is our world is crap, it's gone. We go into our qi field, we go into our heart, we go into our authentic self. And these are two examples that, anyone that knows me intimately knows what my journey has been the last 25 months. And, you know, I'm at a very, I'm at the very best place I can be right now.

And it's my practice and it's my experience. What is your name? And I'm alive where, and I have an eye that's functioning and I just, this is a review and. You know, Deborah embraced Zhineng incredibly, and she embraced Huan Yuan incredibly. She was so happy with it. At the end of her life, it was working on her frame of references in her life that I didn't even know that she had, and it was so beautiful for her.

So there's all these layers and levels of what, you know, Zhineng and Huan Yuan qi therapy do that are just, All available to us, and it's not difficult. It's simple. 

So what you, let me go back a little bit. When you spoke about the trauma work that you've done with, you know, these people, along your journey.

So basically what you did is you had conversations with these peoples and why you had conversations. You were what we call in Hun Yan Chi therapy, you probably used like Hun Yan Ling Tong. You transformed the information to the better. And, and, And that, you know, I know this from many, from many therapists, how well this works, the patient or your, your, your, your partner, whoever you talk to doesn't even have to be aware of what you're doing.

As the mere fact that you are doing it has an incredible effect on that person and can immediately change, you know, the reality of the framework and, and take the burden of the trauma of that person. And I think that is a great, that's a, that's a wonderful topic that may be. You know, you and I could explore in depth, you know, in, in the second episode, one day, if you, if you feel like you would like to do that, but for now, because, you mentioned your work, I also would like to give people an opportunity, if they want to connect with you, just to get an idea of what you're doing, but I know there's just one of many that you're doing.

You had, Master Liu over in New York, you organized workshops there, but you also offer individual. individual sessions, right? So if, if somebody of our listeners feels like he would like to connect with you, so that you can support them on their journey and their self healing process, and that is a possibility, right?

Absolutely. And I'd love to, my, my saying is I'm here, I'm available. Okay. I don't, I've learned through my experiences that I don't chase, I don't press. I'm just here and that's enough for you. That's perfect. So I guess the best way of saying it is that I continue to teach at Vassar College. We've, she and Deborah and I taught 14 years there.

I have a Monday night zoom class. That is, Available, and it's sponsored by Vassar. I have a physical class at Vassar College in Poughkeepsie, New York. 

The information is at the website that I just created. Which is called, zhinengqigongacademy. com and that's All the 

details will be in the show notes so people can find you. Yes. All 

right. Thank you. And, my personal email is, I'll give it to you, but I'll just say it now, laohulonghealth at gmail.

And hopefully that translates out to venerable tiger dragon health. I'm a dragon in Chinese zodiology. She's a tiger. So I'm here. I regularly do zoom conferences and treatments in person, treatments, all that stuff down in the header. That'll be whatever I look to do. have the Tuscany as an annual retreat now because it's in a beautiful location and, you know, very facilitative.

Eventually we'll be having retreats here at our home and in Florida, and there's some other places like in the Caribbean I'm speaking about. If someone would like to have a retreat, And, and you know, foster it, facilitate it. I'm fine with that too. We'll bring the team. We have, our team is four in body on you on certified Qi therapist, Frank Fasano, Eugenio Giusti and Hilda Braun from Canada.

We're going to travel as a team and always have my spirit wife at the lead and, Deborah. And, that's what I can say. I'm here. People sometimes say to me, what can you do? And I'll say, more importantly, I don't know what I can't do because I don't want to limit it. It's been my verbiage for a long time.

You know, I've been doing treatments for a long time, 12, 15 years, something like that, and I've had some absolutely remarkable. Circumstances happen and now I do Huan Yuan Qi treatments and I had more remarkable circumstances happen and Master Wu is always in the treatment field. He comes and puts his Qi energy into it and you get a lot of power from Master Wu, you know, the art of Siamese.

So is that, what you would like to hear? I mean, yes, 

I think it's just so people have an opportunity, people know what, if they want to get in touch and obviously all the details will be in the show notes. So I would love to, thank you, Richard, for this wonderful conversation and for you sharing from your heart and, about your personal experiences here.

It is indeed, you know, miraculous to many, that listen to that. But it's also, you know, a great opportunity to understand that, a diagnosis is just Yeah. Words. And I think you showed that. And, yeah, yes, we have to take it serious and, but it doesn't mean it's the truth. It is just, you know, what some other person, the label that some other person puts, puts onto it.

And I also enjoyed how you, how detaching from it when you were talking about your eye and it's your body and all of that, but you never attached to diagnosis. That is just something. It is an it. So it's probably also a great, take away from this, from this talk, that I haven't heard so far in the podcast.

So that's why I'm pointing it out. Because it might be very helpful for people, how to deal with these diagnoses. Well, 

I think you're completely accurate there. I just Might add step out of the fear or detach from the fear. I was afraid. Look, of course, I have 25, 000 martial art fights, fifth degree black belt master from Korea.

I was scared. All right, but I detached from it. All right. And, and I stepped into love and I just embraced love. I embraced my intention within eight days. It got shrunk down 16, 17%, 120 days. It was gone. And I'll be honest, I have, I showed Master Liu the video that I put my phone down or whatever I did in Hawaii.

And he came into the room as Britta and Alfie and two other therapists were treating me. And, and the video shows Master Liu, you know, looking into my eye and, you know, doing this and that and the other thing. And it's all great. It's I'll take whatever is positive and I know he helped me and I want to say that, but the team helped me.

We are all part of the same chi field. We are all part of the same simple protocols, okay? And I just want to say to anyone, you can do this. It's your, it's, you know, I never, I never take away what the soul needs. I never know what the soul of an individual actually needs, but. you can, you can gain health.

This is so simple. Just have faith and trust in it. Follow the good teachers, follow the good therapists, follow your heart. You can do this. 

Thank you very much, Richard. Those are amazing closing words. So once again, thank you to New York. And I look forward to maybe having a second conversation with you in the coming month about the, you know, the trauma work that you did.

Very good. I look forward to seeing you and Britta in person sometime soon, too. 

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