Understanding Zhineng Qigong Theory: Katrien Hendrickx

Katrien Hendrickx delves into the three levels of Qineng Qigong practice: the physical movements, the flow of Qi energy, and the direction of consciousness. Katrin, who recently published a comprehensive 435-page book on Zhineng Qigong, shares insights on the importance of understanding the science behind Qigong for enhanced healing and effectiveness. The conversation explores Dr. Pang's theory, which conceptualizes Qi as consisting of the physical body, the Qi level, and the information level. When harmonized, particularly through the consciousness theory, Qigong practice becomes significantly more effective.

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• The theory behind Qineng Qigong and its effectiveness
• How information at the consciousness level can transform physical ailments into health
• The role of consciousness in healing and the significance of healthy information
• How to turn theory into practice
  
  
  

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Transcript

Welcome to the Zhineng QIGONG community podcast, Wisdom Qigong Uncovered. My name is Torsten Lueddecke and this is today's story.

In Zhineng QIGONG we practice on three levels. There is the level of the correct movements and postures. There is the level of the energy, the qi, and the level of consciousness that directs the qi. Now imagine what is possible when all three levels are aligned and work in perfect harmony. Katrien Hendrickx will take us on the fascinating journey of understanding this theory intuitively and intellectually.

Here comes Katrien. She is extremely knowledgeable and just brought out a book about Zhineng Qigong covering all aspects, and, that book, Katrien, how many pages does this book have? 

The name of the book is Science and Philosophy of Zhineng Qigong, Healing Qigong, and the Methods of Level One.

And how many pages do we have there? Oh, sorry, sorry. I didn't quite understand what you asked. It's about 435 pages. So it's a rather big book. 

So you can see there's a lot of knowledge in this book and Katrien is going to share some of that with us today. Now the, the topic we want to focus on today, and we might invite you for more podcasts in the future.

But the topic for today is the, what is behind Zhineng Qigong? What is the science? Why is it actually working so well? Now many, many of us, we just do our little exercise and we discover, wow, this is great. You can feel the cheese. Something is moving. I'm feeling better, my health is improving. But we hardly ever ask, you know, why.

And and this is an important question because, we all know that. That if the mind understands why something is working, the effect can be even bigger than if we don't know what's going on. So this is basically what we want to talk about today, Katrien, and maybe you want to share a little bit about, you know, why you think it is so important that we understand the, the, the, the why that Zhineng qi gong is actually working so well at healing people.

Yes. Okay. Thorsten, what you already mentioned is about the consciousness theory. You said if you know with your mind what is happening, zhineng qi gong is be, will be far more effective. And the consciousness theory is, is a consequence of the theory of Dr. Pang, who has this theory about qi, about the energy, and qi consists of three layers.

You have our physical body, that's the form, that's the, the, our body. Then you have the Qi level and you have the, the information level. And if you understand that these three levels always transform into one another and you do an exercise or you just breathe in and you, you breathe out, you know that each moment, each tiny little moment you, your body is transforming.

If you know that, and if you, if you are doing Qigong and you work with good intentions, you are standing in a healthy nature, then you know you, you benefit your body. And the, the consciousness theory, what you already mentioned, is this information level. And you can practice qi gong just on the form level and do your movements so good and so well.

And this is very important because if your posture is good, if your movements are good, qi will flow well and you will get abundant qi, but you stay on the, on the form level. If you work with qi and feel qi, if you see and feel and, and experience qi coming in and coming out, then you are working on this qi level and then you, you do your practice even better.

But if you can do it on the consciousness level, that you know what you are doing, that you know about the science, that your logical mind knows what you are doing, then You are working on the consciousness level, and because everything happens in our brains, then Zhineng qigong will be even more effective.

And that was the aim of Dr. Pang, that we know about science, that we know about the importance of a focused mind. So that the, that our practice will be far more effective. 

So Dr. Pang thought it was very important to understand the theory behind it, right? Because, you know, as you just mentioned, it is like three arrows aligning in the same direction and that's far more powerful than if just one arrow would do all the work, right?

Yeah. Do you actually, yeah, I know you've done a lot of research for your book. So do you actually know a little bit more about, you know, Dr. Pang and why you thought it's so important and what he was actually teaching or how he implemented that, how he made sure his, you know, his teachers, knew about, the, the science behind Zhineng Qigong.

Do you have any anecdotes there or anything you can share with us here? 

Oh, okay. I followed, since 2020, since the famous Corona pandemic, I followed so many online, courses with Chinese, teachers, who were formed by Dr. Pang and they insist on the knowledge of, of the science. So I got.

knowledge from different teachers, from different Chinese teachers about these signs. They also said that for Dr. Peng, it was so important that people in the West also know about these signs, know about the philosophy, about the holistic concept of, of, of Qigong, because it's, it's traditional Chinese medicine.

And in the West, we normally don't know a lot about Chinese medicine, but it's based on, on this, on this knowledge. So that's, that's why Chinese teachers also teach about, about the science and they teach it in science itself, in the theory, but they also put it into the practice so that we know if we do a movement, that we know what happens, what, on what level we are transforming.

That's very interesting and I can see that, you know, it is an important, topic for most masters. And yet, you know, every master has their own balance between practice and theory. And some focus more on the theory and some a little less. Also, it's not so easy to get this knowledge across because it's quite complex.

And we know that, you know, The Chinese masters, we adore them for their English speaking abilities because it must be so difficult to learn English for them. But obviously they're doing it at the same level to be able to communicate all this knowledge in a clear, precise way so that we in the West understand.

That is, I think, one of the, one of the, the problems that we sometimes have. Is there, is there any. Any any shortcut? I mean, is there any basic idea how you would explain the whole theory? So that people understand it a little better If you would have 70 year olds or something, you know How would you explain the theory so that we all have a base here of how this whole thing makes sense?

Yeah, that's true what you say, Torsten, that it's, it's difficult theory. And there is, there are books in English, translated books from Chinese into English about science, but it's a lot of text and it's difficult. So what I have been doing, I am interested in Chinese medicine since 20 years ago, and it was so huge for me.

It was so big, and I tried to memorize all this, and it was such a big knowledge. So I read about it, and I read again, and I read again, and the more I read about, the the more I, I could integrate and could understand. Now, what I think is very important when I have written my book is that I don't have text and text and text, but I would put pictures in it.

I find good pictures. I, I got the permission to use pictures of Chinese, teachers, and I put highlights, keywords, I put into, in, in, into, to bigger, text and so, so that people could. can immediately catch highlights in the text, so they understand. And I would advise people, don't try to, to, to, to learn it and to understand it, but just read it, just read it, and again, and again, and again, and after a while, after a few months, after a few years.

you understand the theory. That, that's, that's my experience with this, this difficult theory. If you, if you, I have been doing Zhineng Qigong since 2009, but now that I know about science these few years already, it's so much more than just doing these exercises. Now I know why I'm doing movements. I know why I, I have that experience or why I improve on that level.

I understand now. 

I mean, that is all very impressive, but I can already see my listeners and lots of listeners. They say, okay, well, I don't see me reading years and years and years to get the basic ideas. So I'm hoping to get one or two pieces of information out of you here in this, in this conversation.

It's okay. Thank you. Take care. This is a great insight I had that helped me personally, or once I understood this, this made a difference in my life. Maybe there's one or two things you may share with our friends here. 

What I think about now is, that I experienced so many things in doing Qigong. And when I got to know this theory, I knew, I learned about the layers that in Qi you have information.

So then I understood why I saw things when I, I knew things. When I was in a certain place that I could feel what happened there so many hundred years ago. It's just because if you know the theory, it's just because you have information in energy. If you can pick up the energy of a person of a place, you know you can get information if you are open to it.

And what's very important to me is silence, being silent, not always talk and talk and talk. If you are just in silence. You can get so many information, you get so many information about nature, about places you are in, about people you are with. And that's so important. People ignore the importance, especially sensitive people, feel so much they can't normally see, they can't normally, they, they touch, but it's in the air, it's in energy.

Is this what we call or refer to the Yi Yuan Ti, that we pick up information with the Yi Yuan Ti? Or am I on the wrong track here? 

The Yi Yuan Ti? No, that's perfectly, that's perfectly right, Torsten, you speak about the Yi Yuan Ti. The Yi Yuan Ti is the, the energy of our brains. And that's very subtle, very fine, fine energy. And with your energy of your brains.

You can be open to information, you can get information and you can send information. And that is used in healing Qigong. If you, if you train your mind, if you train your Yi Yuan Ti, so the, the energy of your brains, you can use this energy. To, to get information, to receive information of all, of so many things, of so many people, but you are also able, if you train it enough, to send information.

If you feel or sense somebody is not well, you can send good information to that person. 

So let me try to summarize it for those of us who are not so familiar with the three levels of substance theory of Dr. Pang. So basically what Dr. Pang was saying is that we have three levels. We have the material level, which in our case could be the body, but also all the material outside of the body.

We've got the energy level, which is the qi level, you know, where all the energy is moving back and forth and doing whatever it needs to do. And we've got the consciousness level which is our thoughts and everything has to do with consciousness I'm, I'm hoping i'm summarizing this correctly if anybody's out there in the community who knows it better my apologies But this is this is how I understand the theory and these three levels are interacting with each other They are transforming from one into another which is the reason that while we are with sending qi We can heal the physical body Yes.

Our energy transforms into the, into the physical form, and that is also why we direct the chi, the energy, with our consciousness level. So if the consciousness sends chi, the energy, into a certain body part, this is why there is a transformation happening, this is why healing is happening. Am I summarizing that correctly?

It is completely right, Torsten, and what I want to add, because now you are talking about people and how you can heal people, how you can heal yourself, how you can heal other people, but a very, very simple example to, to illustrate what you, what you were saying about these three levels is just the earth.

If you take the earth, that's material, you can, you can take earth into your hands. But in the earth is energy and the energy, causes trees and plants to grow and in trees and plants there is information because when you have a very tiny, tiny seed, you put it in the earth, the seed gets, energy from the earth and the information in the seed.

makes the plant or the tree to grow as it was planned to grow. So this is a such a simple example to illustrate the tree level, the tree matter level of Qigong, of Qi. And then you put You, you transport it to human beings, but our physical body, we have energy in our body that flows through our body through the meridians, through the channels, and with the energy of our mind, and then you have all these difficult names for it.

You have the Yi Yuan Ti, that's the energy of your mind. You have so many difficult words for all these levels of Qi. With your mind, with your Yi Yuan Ti, you can, you can direct things to happen 

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If I'm thinking of how we or what we focus on in Qigong, And also what Dr. Pang was focusing on at the Huaxia Center, the first medicineless hospital.

It was always about seeing the people perfectly healthy, that their functions are normal, their organs are normal. And basically what we are doing there and what they have been doing there is they connect with the information of a healthy body. So this information of the healthy body. Can, you know, do its work and transform the material or the, you know, currently ill body into the healthy state.

Huh uh. Right. So, so basically, now when we say healthy information, it doesn't mean that our, our consciousness needs to know what exactly a healthy liver looks like. For example, we, we are not doctors, so we don't know the anatomy. Bi mm-Hmm, . It is enough. It is enough to, to, you know, to just have a consciousness that say, okay, the, the chief field out there, the information is there, what a healthy liver actually is.

And what we do is we connect with this information of what a healthy liver is. The liver is just an example, obviously, or a healthy heart is, or healthy lungs are, or whatever your problem might be. We connect with this information out there, what a healthy liver is, and that information will then do the work and transform our liver into a healthy liver.

I think that is kind of, you know, in an easy way, simple way, explain why the theory is so helpful to know that. This is why we focus on the healthier, we imagine us being healthy and, the functions being normal. And lots of you guys out there, would have heard a master saying that all functions normal, everything healthy and so on.

So this is the information we connect with. In order to use this law of this science to transform whatever is going on in our body to a healthy state. Is that, is that correct? Yeah, correct. That's correct. Yes. Okay. Now, do you have any, any, any personal story to tell about this experience? Anything that comes to mind where you had a particular insight or where it worked particularly well, or where you felt how this, actually works in practice?

Yes, Torsten, I have a very beautiful And a very strong example of that, because I have a hearing problem, ever since I was 31 years old. And I was in, in China and Tibet with a few teachers, Chinese teachers in 2016. And I said to the teacher, Wei, I want to hear again on one side. And he said, what's wrong with your ear?

And I explained it and he worked on me and, and that same evening I heard again at my bedside. And the next morning I asked him what was wrong with my ear and he said, This is so typical Western medicine thinking. I put in healthy information. And at that time, in 2000, 2016, I did not understand what he said.

I put in healthy information. And that's what you were explaining about. You use healthy information. And that is so amazing. It just says. He just said, I put in healthy information and it works. It works. And if I teach Qigong, and I, I give the commands, like you said, my lungs are healthy. My liver are, is healthy.

I sometimes get the reaction of someone who says, but that's not true because my lungs are ill and I've got this tumor in my lungs. And that's difficult for our Western people. We are so Thinking logically. The doctors say we are ill, we have a tumor, and that's in our mind. And our minds gets, gets programmed to know I am ill, my lungs are ill.

And that's why you, you insist, why the doctors, why the Chinese teachers insist on use healthy information. And I had. This beautiful example, the true way just put in healthy information without me knowing it. And it worked. It worked. 

I mean, that's a, that's a great example because as you just pointed out, you know, in, in our Western world, we are focusing on the opposite.

You go to the doctor and the doctor says, This is your problem. You are ill here. You have this tumor here. You have that. You have this. And then what we do is we use this information. And basically we, even if it isn't ill yet, we transform it into an ill, into an ill, liver or ill heart or whatever.

So, so, but, but, yeah, what, what teacher Wei was doing there, he said, it doesn't really matter what's wrong, what was wrong with your ear, because that is the, that's the information that makes it. Makes the hearing back. What I'm focusing on is the positive information that makes the hearing good and then things will transform and then the hearing is good.

So that, that is what he did. And now, but my question to you is now, how do I deal with that? If I, if I, Unfortunately, no, I have this problem, say I've got a tumor in my liver or something like that. How do I deal with that? How can I, how can I focus on the positive information? Why without my, the other part of my personality saying, who's kidding?

You're kidding yourself because it is though, right? How, how would you deal with that? 

I think an important, thing is also accepting. If you accept a situation, it's far more better to deal with it. If you fight against it, you lose energy and you, you need your energy to get better. So accepting a situation is, is the first step, I think.

And then, being positive about it and, and being convinced, have the trust that you will get better. I think these are important informations. And I see, I work with, with cancer patients too, already a long time since 2007, I'm teaching yoga to cancer patients. I see this so often in these groups, people who are confident, who are positive, have a far better feeling about their cancer than people who, who are negative about it.

about it and who fear about the future. I can see these people who always complain that they will not get better and people who believe they will get better and have a positive mindset. That's so important. 

So basically what I could say, it can be true. Both can be true at the same time. So you can accept yes, on the, that my liver has a problem on the physical level, yet it can be true that on the information level it is already healed.

So I'm not lying there, on the information level it's already healed, and if I focus on that information level of being healed, then the physical will follow. The information, you know, so I think that is maybe a way to for us in the West who can't just sit there and say, well, but I know I've got this problem.

Yes. Leave it there. It's on the physical level. But we all know the order of things is the consciousness is the, is the most important thing. Whatever the consciousness creates, it's got to show up in the energy and in the physical world. So, It's just going to follow naturally. So that's why we can, we can, we can rightly focus on the healthy liver and the information of the healthy liver, without, having to go into big internal conflict saying, yeah, but I know it's not right.

Yeah. On the information level, it is right. On the information level, it is healed already. I also hear a lot of Chinese masters using this word already. So. Yeah. Yeah. So it means, yeah. Yeah. It is. It is there without us necessarily knowing it yet because yeah, if we look at the scan, it might not have materialized yet, but it is already there on the information level.

And then the physical form. 

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Torsten, what I want to add is what you are telling about illness and, and voices of illness. There is also a saying, if you get ill, you focus on the laws of illness. If you get well, if you, if you heal yourself or people, you focus on the laws of healthiness.

That's, that's what you were saying. Right. Right. The information is in your, is in your consciousness that the information, the laws of health or the laws of illness and the laws you follow are, is what's going to happen in your body. But for Western people, it's not easy to understand that or to accept that even.

And, 

and it could be, you know, because we are more theoretical people and wanting to understand people here in the West. And, and I think, yeah, that's why maybe your work is also so important and your book is so important. So that people get a better understanding because it is also a fact that my body knows perfectly well what it means to be healthy.

Yeah. 

It knows exactly. Yeah. Just when you talked about the seed earlier, you know, the tree, all of the information of the tree is in the seed, all the information of what it means to be perfectly healthy is in our body. Now, all we need to do is we need to connect that information versus the wrong information, the ill information, connecting that information.

And then, you know, it's like. Oh, I forgot. I, I want to do cooking tonight and I forgot how to do the soup. I'll go back to my cooking book and open the page and then, oh, yes, that's true. How I do the swoop correctly. So basically we're doing the same with our body. We just say, okay, we connect with the information that is in our body of what it means to be healthy and then let the body and the qi do the work.

Some teachers say, go back to your baby state. Normally you are born as a healthy baby and then you live and you get so, you experience so many things, you get situations. Some teachers say, go back to your baby state and visualize your baby state. You were born perfectly, and if you were born not okay, you go even further back, but you go back to healthy information.

And for most people, it's the baby state. Go back to baby state. 

Go back 

to that information. 

Or whatever, or whatever you have been healthy because most the time when you were all just all was healthy, all your hearing was healthy. And to just reconnect with that information and reset the information level, back to the healthy state, versus to wherever you are right now.

And yeah, I could, I could even say when, even if you were, you know, un unfortunate that you were born with a disease. The information of what it means to be healthy is still out there, even if it's not in you, but it's out there. And you were, in the beginning of the conversation, you spoke about how the Yi Yuan Ti can connect with the information outside of who you are.

So you can easily just get the information of what it means to be healthy with this organ or that organ from the outside, if your body doesn't have that yet, right? 

Perfectly. Thank you. True. Yeah. 

Well, we're talking about a lot about theories here, and hopefully this is helpful for some people to get. So, okay.

Wow. Okay. Now I understand how that breaks or that might be useful in that daily practice. Do you implement, do you implement that? Yeah. You know, when you do your Qigong practice, do you do any conscious remembrance of how this exercise works or why certain movement works before you get started? Or do you just connect with it while you're doing your exercise?

For myself personally, Torsten, I think it's very important that I connect to path, that's for me very, very important, and that I have my Qi field around, and that I go to silence before I even start doing movements, that I connect deeply with myself, and what I am doing since I have been following all these Chinese teachers online, They, they also built a far bigger qi field.

They connect with family, they connect with friends, they connect with earth, heaven, nature around, but always with positive intentions, positive information. And I heard, I got feedback from people. Who trained with me, that since we do this building up such a big qi field harmonizing with so many people, that, that, that your life gets better, that your relationship with people gets better.

And that's so important that, that you know, Also, from theory background, that the qi field is supporting us. If you do your exercises and you are in a bad environment, then you get bad information in your exercise. If you build up a very healthy and a very positive and a very harmonized qi field first, it's the qi field that supports your practice.

And so this is what I'm doing the last few months, this, this, this importance of the, the qi field, a harmonized positive qi field, and not only for yourself, but you, you have, are having this podcast for a community. The community is so important. You are not alone. You are not on your own. Even if you practice alone, you are not alone.

And that's a, that's a wonderful way to, to remember, a wonderful thing to remember. Because, so often, you know, we're just doing our exercise by ourselves, but at the same time, you know, there's a big community out there, who's also, practicing or in the Qigong state or supporting positive information.

And I think to connect with that, is a, is a beautiful thing. And to do that before you start the exercise might actually, you know, even increase the power of the exercise for you further. So I think that's a, that's a wonderful thing to do before you start your practice. 

When you are talking to me now, Torsten, we are connected to one another.

Right. We're 

also connected when we're not talking to each other, aren't we? 

Yeah. All the people who are listening right now, we'll be listening afterwards. We are just connected to one another and that's so beautiful. Some people feel connections. 

And that's, so let's hope this podcast is also contributing a little bit because then we can get to know each other, you know, people that didn't know you before get to know you and we're going to get to know more people while the podcast evolves.

So that is also one of the purposes why we're doing this project here. 

And I'm grateful for that, Torsten. 

And I've got a, and I've got a practical question for our listeners. So if, is there in your research, or let me put it this way. I mean, we know that we have a lot of fantastic Qigong teachers out there and also a lot of really great Qigong masters that are working with people from the, the West are offering trainings and doing courses, traveling to countries and so on and so on.

And from my experience, you know, every student's kind of finds out. a teacher that they resonate more with and then they might be, yeah, that might be their favorite teacher. And it's different for everyone because we're all different people. And every teacher has their own style of bringing stuff across, the old style of teaching or connecting with people and so on.

But as we were focusing today on the, on the whole theory, now in your research, did you do find any particular teachers that you found helpful, particularly with respect to understanding theory? Did you do any, any, any, but any courses along your research way? Okay. This helped me a lot to understand or to take my knowledge about the theory of Zhineng qi gong to the next level.

Is there anything that comes to mind or 

is it a summary? I find this a difficult question because I have my own preferences and, and As you say, some people, you are attracted more to some teachers and less to other teachers. I think this is a very difficult question, but there are so many online courses lately, and so many teachers giving free sessions.

I think it's, it's a good idea to just follow a few sessions with that teacher, with that teacher and then just experience where you, you, you have the teacher that, that suits you best. Because it's so difficult. I don't want to say I like that teacher. I like that teacher. That's not okay for me. 

That's great because also what I realized is that sometimes, you know, I also listen to lots of teachers, obviously, because, that is what we're doing at the students up.

We are, we're forming a community for all teachers to show, show their way to showcase their work. And what I found is that sometimes I get basically the same message from three different teachers. And it doesn't sink in. And then the fourth teacher says exactly the same thing, and it clicks. Okay, wow, what an insight.

And only then I remember, well, all the other teachers have told me the same thing, but it just didn't click with me at that moment. So I think it's a good idea to stay open, to try new teachers. And not because, you know, One isn't enough, but because you know, you might hear certain things in a certain different way, that will make the difference just for you because that is where you are at this moment.

And that is what you needed to hear at that moment. Right. Yeah. 

Torsten, that's so true what you say, because I think about a book you can read, you can read a book five years ago. You can read it again. sip three years ago, and now you read it again after three years, and you get information in the book that you did not get at the first reading five years ago.

That's so true what you say. If you hear it a thousand times, then you understand, oh yes, now I understand. 

Okay, cool. Katrien, is there any other aspect that you want to get across today, with respect to the theory, why you think theory is so important and how it can, help people in their practice?

Is there anything we didn't cover or that you feel like you would like to add in our conversation today? 

Katrien, I think we covered already a lot, I think we taught a lot, and for me it's not important that you know these difficult names, that because each level has a name and each aspect of a level has its name, for me it's not important that you know these different things.

Difficult names, but it is important that you just understand what happens in the universe, that you understand these laws, that the laws of the universe, that the laws of nature, we are part of the universe, we are part of nature, that these are also our laws. If we follow the, if we follow the laws of the nature, if you understand that, you understand about Qigong, about Zhineng Qigong.

Because Qigong 

Yeah. I think these are great closing words. I think I couldn't have said that any better. So I think that we've given a lot of food for thoughts to our community out there and hopefully it's going to inspire one or two people also to look a little deeper into the theory. And I totally agree.

Don't get discouraged by all the complicated Chinese words. It's not about that. It's about understanding the fundamentals. And once you've got that, then it automatically, yeah, will. Take your, your practice to an even better depth, but for all those of you who don't know anything about the theory, please know that also just doing the movements, just doing the exercise already has a very positive effect on your body.

So we, we don't need to become all experts when we do zhineng qi gong. We can also trust the qi to do its work and that already will be a big contribution to our daily life, to our health. So thank you very much, Kathleen, for this conversation. I really enjoyed that. And I'm sure we're going to have one or two more because there are other great aspects that you covered in your book that I would like to explore with you in the future.

Thank you, Torsten. The pleasure is mine. Thank you. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye bye. 

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